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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by alexasmyths »

jsdario wrote: post #78
alexasmyths wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The greater region of Montreal considered separating from the rest of Quebec if Quebec were to have separated from Canada. Same with some Aboriginal communities (who in some ways control vast areas of land, greater in size that many European countries!) They were quickly denied the right to do so on a legal basis. It never came to fistycuffs, but it could possibly have. Independence movements are a tricky thing.

In any democracy or lawful state, independence movements are just a matter of nationalistic feelings. It's normal they are a tricky thing. They do not obey the principles of solidarity (in this case) or rational thinking. They live mainly from either supremacist or victimization arguments.

I completely disagree. Perhaps to Americans, wherein the concept of 'ethnicity' is culturally foreign concept, it can be complicated to put into the local, American framework for understanding identity.

People are different, cultures are different, ethnicities are different.

Why do you think that after 1000 years of war (in the case of the 'Germanics' - you could say 2000 years, i.e. against the Romans) - that places like 'Germany' still exist as a relatively coherent entity? Even when they were not 'a single state' they were allied.

The boundaries of Europe for some reason always seem to 'snap back' to something resembling an ethnographic map.

Why did the Greeks - who were never 'a country' in antiquity rallied together in defence against the Persians?

Far from being 'radical' it's actually the epitome of 'reasonable' and even 'pragmatic' that ethnic groups want their own states.

Every case is different: Catalonia, Scotland, Quebec, former Yugoslav states, heck - even Crimea ... but there's always at least some reason behind these movements - even if it does get caught up in 'stupid nationalism' or even, sadly, 'stupid racism' - those are usually just the extreme voices. Most people are not like that.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by wav-part »

QAPereo wrote: post #89
ukoki wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? If they want independence who are we to deny it? If your spouse wants a divorce, if your children wish to disown you — you can't deny them just because it's an inconvenience — it is their right.

Countries are not people, they don't respect or love each other, they oscillate between peace and war. The history of every major nation is a history of violence and conquest, not freely entered union. So, why deny independence? Because only the optics have changed, not the reality?

> Countries are not people, they don't respect or love each other, they oscillate between peace and war. The history of every major nation is a history of violence and conquest, not freely entered union.

IMO that has not been true for last 70 yrs. Point to me a war that has been People vs People.

The fact of the current world is People Are Sovereign. If some >=N people domiciled in continuous region wants self-determination, thats their human right.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by jsdario »

kilburn wrote: post #80
jsdario wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is completely feasible. In fact Spain was the project of many different kingdoms (or "nations" by modern standards): Basque, Aragon/Catalan, Galician and Castilian. Not only that but many modern leftist political parties advocate for self determination freedom within our constitution. So the fact that the Catalan parliament with a simple majority of separatists are claiming unilateral referendum of independence in…

Come on jsdario... It is indeed possible to change the constution, but: 1) You need 3/5ths of the camera to do so. 2) There is only one significant state-wide party supporting self determination (podemos, which a very young party that entered the scene only in the last election). 3) The major parties (PP and PSOE, which would be like the republicans and democrats in the state) are both overtly against self determinat…

I may agree it's really hard, but the response is accurate. It is still possible. These kind of restrictions exist to defend people of tyranny.

The same restrictions exists in Catalonian Parliament for things such as changing the "Estatut". It is not right for a simple majority to enforce their will over the people their opposition represent. Therefore the referendum is not legal, nor legitimate.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by fredrklem »

freehunter wrote: post #90
fredrklem wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a paramilitary force,but a nation-wide law enforcement corp

Paramilitary is a militarized group that is not part of the official armed forces, which describes groups like the Civil Guard or Gendarmerie pretty well. A military branch of the government who works with civilian populations.

According to Wikipedia it is a military force. Curious.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by confounded »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #94
kodablah wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that cannot be censored I am not familiar with IPFS internals, but is there no pattern to the IPFS traffic that the ISPs can shape/block? Too bad about the entire IPFS domain being blocked, because besides the host, HTTPS traffic has safety in numbers. If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block.

> If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block. Host IPFS nodes with http proxies on GCP and point the domain with multiple A records at those instances?

This is basically how Signal avoid being blocked in (IIRC) Saudi Arabia.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by pvaldes »

ukoki wrote: post #75
pvaldes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is not the end of the history. Would be naively opening the door to a full hell of pain. Try to give one candy to calm a child having a tantrum in a room full of them and see what happens when the other children realize that crying, breaking toys and banging the head on the wall equals to be rewarded with sweets. You allow somebody to break the law and jump over the constitution just because they are inconso…

So? If they want independence who are we to deny it? If your spouse wants a divorce, if your children wish to disown you — you can't deny them just because it's an inconvenience — it is their right.

And if my children would want to commit suicide, steal and crash cars, or enter in a sect; who am I to deny them such reasonable demands?

... their loving father or something?

for Pete's sake, you, bad parent, they have rights!, and politicians that advise them well! Break the law, my minions, is funny (Specially to me, when I'll run with your money and deny to even know you... fools).

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by tomjakubowski »

pm90 wrote: post #87
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

150 years after the US civil war, the confederate flag is still flying around. I wouldn't be to hasty to call it eventual.

While that's true, its only a small, mostly racist white minority that is really serious about secession. And don't forget that the Catalan people have their own cultural identity for hundreds of years. i.e. they have a legitimate claim of being different from other Spaniards and thus wishing for their independence.

> While that's true, its only a small, mostly racist white minority that is really serious about secession.

Are any of them still serious about it now that Obama is out of office?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by kristiandupont »

pvaldes wrote: post #107
ukoki wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? If they want independence who are we to deny it? If your spouse wants a divorce, if your children wish to disown you — you can't deny them just because it's an inconvenience — it is their right.

And if my children would want to commit suicide, steal and crash cars, or enter in a sect; who am I to deny them such reasonable demands? ... their loving father or something? for Pete's sake, you, bad parent, they have rights!, and politicians that advise them well! Break the law, my minions, is funny (Specially to me, when I'll run with your money and deny to even know you... fools).

So you are arguing that this is solely for Cataluñas own sake and that they don't know themselves what they are doing so Spain must protect them?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by kristiandupont »

QAPereo wrote: post #89
ukoki wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? If they want independence who are we to deny it? If your spouse wants a divorce, if your children wish to disown you — you can't deny them just because it's an inconvenience — it is their right.

Countries are not people, they don't respect or love each other, they oscillate between peace and war. The history of every major nation is a history of violence and conquest, not freely entered union. So, why deny independence? Because only the optics have changed, not the reality?

True, countries are not people. But you "optics, not reality has changed" argument is very abstract. What is this reality that means that they should not be allowed to vote?
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