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Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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> Nah, none of those networks were anywhere near as influential as Twitter is now. There are also many more people online now than ever before, but nothing fundamental has changed. > Many reporters basically live on Twitter; it's at the center our media world. You mean they "use" twitter? So what? Real journalists are outside chasing down stories in the real world, not retweeting crap on twitter as literally anyone i…

> Real journalists are outside chasing down stories in the real world You're never seen a breaking news story come out through twitter in a way that's not possible without instant social media? > I am not arguing anything even remotely close to this. I don't think private companies should be able to break the law, for example. Missing the point. This is a discussion about theoretically changing those laws. > nobody n…

> You're never seen a breaking news story come out through twitter in a way that's not possible without instant social media?

The same thing is possible via facebook or reddit or even yahoo.com which not only gets more traffic than twitter, but has a more homogenized front-page which would have a bigger impact on how many eyeballs see a story.

> I mean, nobody needs newspapers either. A lot of unnecessary things are very important.

And? Should the government force the newspaper to print or remove specific content (outside concerns with the law)? Now that sounds like a dystopia. If you don't like the content of the paper, you can call it a rag, pick up an alternative paper and move on with your day, that is like the quintessential example against your position.

> Look at walmart. They have half a trillion dollars of money flowing through them. In terms of GDP they would be the ~25th largest country in the world. You think that money doesn't have ridiculous amounts of power just because they don't have a standing army?

And? What's your point? Twitter has 2000 employees and can barley turn a profit, Walmart is the largest employer and the largest distributor of foodstuffs and textiles in the U.S. The differences are pretty obvious. Twitter is irrelevant in comparison to walmart.

> Imagine for a second that twitter grew to become as important as an ISP. Let's say 90% of the alexa top 10000 required a twitter login to use. Or getting cell phone coverage from a national company required a twitter login. Would you still say they're entitled to discriminate?

Well that extreme hypothetical is obviously completely different from reality where nobody needs to use twitter for anything. Literally nothing requires twitter, certainly not something as important as getting phone service or having access to literally ANY other website. Your contrived scenario is a great contrast to how irrelevant twitter actually is.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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If there was a large-scale quiet-down campaign in force at Twitter, it would almost certainly be a shadow ban. Offending tweets would still be visible to everyone, they would just simply not show up in feeds.

Considering Twitter Moments ran a wildly negative story for the whole day yesterday about this, I think we can safely rule out collusion.

Someone else mentioned an army of flaggers marking these tweets as offensive and automatically get pulled, which makes more sense to me.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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The main threads on Reddit were deleted also: https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/64jbfq/1458098779... Many more: https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/

The r/videos subreddit has a rule against videos of fights/assault so whoever posted the video you linked to wasn't following directions. Every subreddit has its own rules. The front page of that subreddit is currently dominated by anti-United sentiment that doesn't violate the rules so I don't know what you're trying to imply. Do people even make a cursory effort to verify these accusations before repeating them?

> The r/videos subreddit has a rule against videos of fights/assault.

Specifically against videos of police brutality / misconduct... which coincidentally came into effect around the time a police officer joined as moderator.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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The real outrage in the airline industry is the fact that we allowed security theatre in the form of TSA to get so damn powerful in the first place. There is no reason to be allowing naked x-ray vision scans, pat downs that border on or actually are assault, etc. As Bruce Schneier said, the one thing they did right after 9/11 was to make the cock-pit doors reinforced and locked from the inside. Do you think rich peop…

Bankers and financiers incite terror/violence for political purposes?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Surprised that people here are taking this at face value. Why would Twitter remove these tweets from random users while leaving the vast majority of negative tweets in place? No proof has been given. Indeed, this Jay Beecher's allegedly deleted tweet is visible as far as I can tell: https://mobile.twitter.com/dancow/status/851808188567388161 edit: To be fair, Beecher says that my tweet refers to tweets he sent out af…

I don't think this should be assumed to be true, but I also don't think it should be rejected out of hand. The correct answer is often the middle-ground: ask twitter for a clarification about what happened to the tweets in question, the trending tag, and what its larger policy is.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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I've told you before that if you returned to religious flamewar on HN we would ban you. I'm going to call this one borderline and not ban you for it, but you need to up your game if you want to keep commenting on HN. That means not only dropping the religious slurs, but also making your comments more civil and substantive in general. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14088238 and ma…

Can you define "flamewar", so I can avoid treading this line? I like HN a lot but you seem to be very sensitive so I'd like to not get banned. He brought up 9/11 and asked what the difference is, and I told him. You seem to be miserably insistent on deleting even the most slightly negative mention of Islam (again, I wasn't even the one who brought up 9/11).

The main thing is, as I said, to drop the religious slurs. They're not needed and are acts of incendiarism in their own right.

I'm very glad you like HN. Since you do, you should help the rest of us take care of it, just as you wouldn't litter in a city park or drop lit matches at a petrol station.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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The premise is so unlikely (given what we know of Twitter's past behavior) that if we accept it, we have to accept motives that are beyond our understanding. That said, it's hard to conceptualize even just the metric that they might be optimizing for. I mean, randomly pruning negative sentiment tweets for a given topic might allow Twitter to tell United, "Hey, we removed 12,000 negative tweets about your brand" (leav…

> The premise is so unlikely (given what we know of Twitter's past behavior) that if we accept it, we have to accept motives that are beyond our understanding. What you and I both know of Twitter's behavior is unlikely to be shared knowledge between us, unless it's been your job to follow the company for awhile in which case I would have to defer to you. But I still expect you to tell me what it is we should both kno…

We know these things about Twitter relating to censorship:

They have shut down Twitter accounts for abusing the TOS, and this process is on a case-by-case basis, and can affect well-known users such as Milo Yiannopoullous and Martin Shkreli:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/19/breaking-milo-suspe...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/01/08/pharma-legend-marti...

Twitter also deletes content in response to valid legal requests and copyright claims, according to their own transparency report:

https://transparency.twitter.com/en.html

We also know that Twitter has applied crowdsourcing/human editing to search query analysis:

http://blog.echen.me/2013/01/08/improving-twitter-search-wit...

I suspect that Trending Topics also has some curation, or at least a manual blacklist, but couldn't find official mention of that.

We also know that Twitter has been sensitive to the tension between being an unfiltered source of information and a platform that amplifies abuse. In January, the company admitted that it "didn't move fast enough" in dealing with abuse complaints:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/twitt...

In March, they announced new measures for reporting abusive tweets/accounts. Under a heading "Leveraging our technology to reduce abusive content", they describe new ways in which an abusive account can be limited, including suppressing the visibility of tweets: https://blog.twitter.com/2017/our-latest-update-on-safety

So we've seen that Twitter will shut down accounts and tweets based on an interpretation of TOS (i.e. what constitutes "abuse") in ways that not everyone agrees with. At the same time, Twitter knows that its special sauce is unfettered speech, so much so that it was slow to even act on shutting down accounts openly associated with ISIS: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/tw...

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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The real outrage in the airline industry is the fact that we allowed security theatre in the form of TSA to get so damn powerful in the first place. There is no reason to be allowing naked x-ray vision scans, pat downs that border on or actually are assault, etc. As Bruce Schneier said, the one thing they did right after 9/11 was to make the cock-pit doors reinforced and locked from the inside. Do you think rich peop…

>(Of course, the real terrorists are the bankers and financiers) You lost me at this point. That's hateful populist rhetoric.

It may be, but it's not wrong. I am not persuaded by such responses which fail to deal with the meat of an issue. IF you want to have a discussion about the usefulness of bankers and financiers and how the abuse they have perpetuated isn't necessarily inherent, or something like that, fine, but don't try to use apeals to emotion as if it were any sort of valid argument. My original career was in anti-terrorism, I even remember when we changed the very definition of terrorism because we didn't like the old one (because it included us), and I can tell you it is quantifiably provable the bankers and financiers are the terrorists you should fear more than the ones in a hijab.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The r/videos subreddit has a rule against videos of fights/assault so whoever posted the video you linked to wasn't following directions. Every subreddit has its own rules. The front page of that subreddit is currently dominated by anti-United sentiment that doesn't violate the rules so I don't know what you're trying to imply. Do people even make a cursory effort to verify these accusations before repeating them?

> The r/videos subreddit has a rule against videos of fights/assault. Specifically against videos of police brutality / misconduct... which coincidentally came into effect around the time a police officer joined as moderator.

There's a rule that isn't about police at all.

> 9. No Videos of Assault/Battery

> No videos of real-life, malicious person-on-person assault/battery or physical abuse of animals. This includes raw videos of fights and malicious violence.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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I'll definitely not be flying United or Delta ever again after this incident. Over-selling spaces on a plane is a scummy practice and shokldn't be allowed. When someone needs to cancel they still pocket the change fee or keep tne entire fee if they miss the flight. Seems like borderline fraud.

Delta? How come Delta? The flights I've taken in the past couple of months have been with Delta and their service was fantastic.

D'oh! Never mind, I thought United had acquired Delta. I got them mixed up with Continental. My point was that the United brand will never get another dollar from me.
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