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Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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This may serve as an example of a lot of the things wrong in society. First, as a show of how good faith has broken down. Then, to demonstrate the logical contortions performed by people who are otherwise perfectly capable of critical thinking, but really want to see their mistrust in every institution, or human, be true. This alleged conspiracy would involve (a) some rather rapid negotiations for a sum that wouldn't…

I was in the same camp until I personally witnessed administrative-level collusion to block certain topics on Reddit. I observed the entire event, from the initial breaking story, to its meteoric amplification, and finally to the censorship and aftermath. I didn't believe it was possible, or that such things were happening, until I saw it happen for myself.

Since then, I have seen it happen many times on various platforms. Twitter is particularly guilty of suppressing hash tags that go against their politics. Google does the same by manipulating their trending topics report.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society. I think I should start reading Solzhenitsyn to prepare for what is coming...

> Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. This was inevitable. All the above-mentioned services are funded - in large part - by ads. When it came to choosing between serving the users vs. the advertisers the latter would always win in t…

And THAT is THE DEAL. Plain and simple.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter is an incredibly important communication medium Perhaps, but that's not an inherent property of twitter itself, it just happens that people are there now, but the same could be said about Digg 6 years ago, or myspace 12 years ago or ICQ 20 years ago, people move around the web as trends come and go. Maybe your competitor will be the next big one, but you're not entitled to a network effect just because you do…

Nah, none of those networks were anywhere near as influential as Twitter is now. Many reporters basically live on Twitter; it's at the center our media world. I don't believe in the idea of "entitled to" or not "entitled to" as absolute moral truths. We come up with a set of rules as a society and entitlements come from those rules. It's perfectly reasonable to imagine various combinations of rules and try to guess w…

> Nah, none of those networks were anywhere near as influential as Twitter is now.

There are also many more people online now than ever before, but nothing fundamental has changed.

> Many reporters basically live on Twitter; it's at the center our media world.

You mean they "use" twitter? So what? Real journalists are outside chasing down stories in the real world, not retweeting crap on twitter as literally anyone is capable of. If a journalist "basically lives on Twitter", they're a crap journalist. Feel free to paste a few twitter feeds from famous journalists and incredulously ask me "so is THIS person a crap journalist?". I'll maintain, if they're not a crap journalist, any work that has elevated them to the status of renowned journalist has absolutely nothing to do with twitter. As far as content goes, almost everyone agrees that twitter is crap, it just happens that a lot of famous people crap there as well.

> private companies should be able to do whatever they want under all circumstances," which is what you and several others seem to be arguing here.

I am not arguing anything even remotely close to this. I don't think private companies should be able to break the law, for example. What I'm arguing is that it is the prerogative of a private company to decide what they host and delete from the servers that they pay for and administer. The public is not paying twitter any money, nor are they forced to use twitter, nor is twitter even that important. Just because celebrities use twitter doesn't mean it's an important societal institution. I'll admit that twitter has had an important cultural impact because it is popular, but just because something is popular does not mean the government should regulate it. Once again, nobody needs or is forced to use twitter.

> as a corporate entity grows large and powerful, it becomes a government

I'm sorry but this is totally absurd. Twitter does not have the power to levy taxes or a standing army or literally any influence or authority over your life at all beyond what you give it. Twitter is a glorified messaging app that happens to be popular with celebrities. That's it. The technology isn't even special or unique besides the scaling concerns.

> Let's say Twitter decides -- since, hey, it's a private entity and can do whatever it wants with its product -- to delete any accounts that some machine-learning algorithm has identified as belonging to racial group X.

Is that "cool"? Nah, I think racism is uncool, and it would piss off a lot of twitter users and non-users (like myself), but hosting a racist website is not illegal, and I don't think it should be. At most you should be entitled to your money back, and since you didn't pay any, you're not entitled to anything.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #22

Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society. I think I should start reading Solzhenitsyn to prepare for what is coming...

> Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society Gonna have to roll my eyes pretty hard at this. These are privately owned servers, they can delete whatever content they want off of them, if you don't like it, you're totally free to host your own server and content.

> if you don't like it, you're totally free to host your own server and content.

You're obviously still seeing the world through this fanciful lens of Mom And Pop corporate libertarianism. But there's more to that story. The more power you pour into Mom and Pop, the less they resemble their usual run-of-the-mill town grocer, and the more they become The Town itself in their own right.

Corporations are graduating from companies and becoming as powerful or more powerful than many nations.

While you roll your eyes, many of us are seeing the greater trend of a world no longer run by countries and constitutions, but by companies and contracts. Worlds where you can't turn around without being faced once again with the company you think it's so easy to just "leave".

You say "get out".

It's oddly reminiscent of those saying "get out" to those who are upset that their party lost in a contentious political election.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web would degrade into unusable garbage if every single platform was required to display every single person's mouth diarrhea. Do you believe every website should be shut down if they don't have a comments section on every page? Should Google be forced to abandon PageRank because it censors shitty content?

How about some form of transparency at least when deleting undesirable statements? It's not like you can go and tweet to your followers somewhere else.

So? You also can't get your indie movie on prime time TV.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #22

Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society. I think I should start reading Solzhenitsyn to prepare for what is coming...

It's almost like if turning our free decentralized internet into a bunch of centralized privately financed information silos have been a bad idea. Who saw that coming hu ?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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There's an update on the page:

Update 2, April 11, 11:15ET: Some readers have suggested that the allegedly deleted tweets might have initially appeared as replies to now-deleted tweets, which would explain why they are missing. However, numerous users contacted by TNW rejected this premise, claiming the missing posts were standard tweets.

I'm betting it is something like this, or a related "Twitter did some weird UI change which no one understands again".

If it's not, then it's going to be a bug, and Twitter will apologize and attempt to restore the tweets.

Deleting these tweets isn't in Twitter's interest, no matter how much United pays for ads.

Edit: looking into this a bit more, it looks like it only affects Tweets which have @united mentioned. I suspect it's triggering Twitter's anti-Troll flooding measures, which is clearly wrong.

It'll be interesting to see how Twitter responds, given how slowly they ship any changes.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #22

Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society. I think I should start reading Solzhenitsyn to prepare for what is coming...

Twitter has always been a tool for corporate propaganda. It was almost literally created to be that.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it's not intentional, they may have some algorithms that "throw the baby out with the bathwater" as the saying goes. We're already seeing Google's recent "extremism curation" hit a lot of youtubers that shouldn't be anywhere close to being impacted by it, and yet they still are. If Google's DeepMind/Brain AI can't properly curate this sort of stuff, I can't imagine Twitter is any better at it. After governmen…

I am curious about DeepMind/Brain's role in the curating search results. Would you mind explaining more? Also, I am not sure I understand your reference to Youtube. Is this specifically about Youtube recommended videos in the sidebar?

Not sure if it's only about the sidebar, but many youtubers were apparently deemed 'unsafe' by google and their videos stopped appearing all over youtube.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

#200

* unpresidented

(I'm not actually bad at spelling, it was a reference to http://www.snopes.com/trump-sends-unpresidented-tweet/ - but I should probably know by now that cheap one-liners don't go down well on HackerNews...)

People here can be rather humorless.
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