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H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Without a provision to account for recent grads, this is also a terrible bill. Recent grads are going to be competing against people with years of experience, and the pay is going to reflect this. That means there's less reason for kids to go to school in the US, since they're going to have to leave, or if they do go, we lose that talent. They might not be paid as much as someone coming in with more experience, but t…

I agree - there should be a separate quota for students graduating from top-tier universities.

How do you create a politically correct list of top-tier universities?

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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I feel like this proposed bill doesn't go far enough. H-1B visas should ONLY be granted for workers that are in such need that they are above the 90th percentile of pay for that role. They should also be limited to no more commitment to the company than their peer workers. Once within the country, an H-1B worker should also be able to leave for other employment (without the top market rate requirement) whenever they…

>they are above the 90th percentile of pay for that role The problem with that is that companies will do what they are doing now. Give people titles for lower wage jobs (support, QA etc...) pay them the 90% for the lower wage job, and have them perform the duties of the higher wage job.

Make it so that if this is the case, the manager goes to prison, the employee gets paid the difference and a green card. Anybody would snitch in that case and the manager knows that.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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I'm not sure about the bidding war. I've been in situations where companies are looking for people with specific skills (e.g. working with specific microbiology techniques) but would never be able to outbid what Facebook or someone in Bay Area would pay for generalist skills in another field. There is nowhere close to 100% elasticity in wages to make an auction system fair. Also, this would handicap companies in low-…

I'm not sure that I'm sympathetic to employers who want to pay less. Keep in mind, the US takes in well over a million immigrants a year, and has a huge internal workforce. The H1B was created to help employers find critical and highly skilled workers that are in desperately short supply in the US. "Oh, but we can't afford to pay them a lot of money, that's not fair!" isn't the sort of argument that tends to evoke mu…

Agreed.

Isn't the high salary the corporation would have to pay a local worker just a sign of supply and demand in action?

Why do we now want to interfere with the high-demand worker's ability to negotiate a really freaking high salary? Isn't that exactly the thing we want, for people to be able to charge a lot for their rare and unique skills?

I'm not afraid of regulating business, but this just seems laser-focused to screw the American worker, no matter how you cut it. At the end of the day, if a business can't afford to pay the going local rate, then they don't have a viable business model.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Long time reader, first time poster. Both lawmakers being Califoria democrats, I don't trust this one bit. Hear me out on this one. I have actually experienced the H1B system on my own hide. As others have mentioned in the comments, today H1B is basically indentured servitude visa. While theoretically you can move to another job, few people dare, especially if they have families, because in case of any screwup whatso…

Darrell Isa is a senior Republican

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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I have heard that americans can be easily dissuaded, but today I am seeing that in the comments here. ITT butthurt americans!

1. It's okay to storm another country, cause millions of deaths, but someone takes a job from lazy american and everyone is up in the arms.

2. Not all people that TCS, Infosys et al. bringing here are morons. They have earned bachelors degree in engineering or science, as oppose to Americans going to college for FUCKFEST or muh liberal arts degree.

3. I will disclose an insider secret. Major beneficiaries of H1B are american people and country. By snitching talent from other countries, they are keeping technology on lock down. No other country comes even close when it comes to tech innovation.

4. America's demographics has changed a lot. There are 40% new immigrants in last 30 years. So you are no actually fighting for Americans, but for another immigrant only.

5. Why not pick on Chinese people? Because Asian girls are cute and Asian men are weaboos? Muh, white dicks hungry for asian pussy.

6. If you want to protest, then use fucking brain and protest against H1B for non-stem jobs. Why H1b is given for accountants, business analysts, campaign manager et al? How these non-tech jobs can not be filled by Americans?

Tl;dr- Americans are angry for no reason and will be idiots forever.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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Long time reader, first time poster. Both lawmakers being Califoria democrats, I don't trust this one bit. Hear me out on this one. I have actually experienced the H1B system on my own hide. As others have mentioned in the comments, today H1B is basically indentured servitude visa. While theoretically you can move to another job, few people dare, especially if they have families, because in case of any screwup whatso…

Factual correction (per first sentence of the article): Issa is a republican and the sponsor of the bill.

Serves me right for not reading the article more carefully. Their proposal is, nevertheless, wrong in its approach to the problem. This can only be solved by putting constraints on the influx and removing constraints on mobility of the people the US does let in. With these two things in place, the rest of the issues will take care of themselves. As proposed $100K isn't much of a deterrent for abuse, seeing that even with $100K+ pay there's a shortage of _entry level_ talent in CA.

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I was a full time H1B employee at AMEX for 3 years. Its not only the Indian outsourcing firms who abuse the H1B visa system. All American companies including AMEX also do that. The company never even had plans to give me a promotion, not even increase my salary a bit even though I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises a…

> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a…

> aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job

Am I not paying taxes just like everyone else ? So should I bow down my head just because I worked in some country ? I worked legally & sincerely and paid taxes. I will stop my aggression if I am given back the extra taxes that I paid which I have no use of being a temporary worker. Also remember that this is not your country. The country belongs to natives, your forefathers were refugees who took over. So there is nothing to be proud of it.

> how hard someone works based on when they come to work, in tech it's who works smartest not hardest is the most valuable.

It was not only "when" they came to work, If you read further, you will know that Americans generally are not ready to fix production bugs or grep log files or even do a maven release, atleast thats what I have seen. They drink coffee and gives all the work to H1Bs. Even they apply for the patents which they make them do using ideas from contractors of CTS, Syntel or TCS and Americans take credit for that. It will be fun if the H1B programme was fully stopped, because those lazy ones will have to start working again rather than free riding on H1B contractors.

If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior.

> It was your decision and you were always free to go and find something better

Well, thats what I did. I didn't sulk & whine, I left US and is in another country which values my skills and not treating me as indentured servant.

I really wish H1B visa system be stopped. The fun will start then, all those lazy ones who free rides and abuses H1B employees will feel the heat, because profit loving American corporates will outsource more jobs than they are doing now.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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hackernews' audience is mostly Americans, so expect to get downvoted for any comments that hurts their ego. My upvote for you in speaking out the truth.

Please don't make up generalizations about HN to score rhetorical points. Unless you have real data to support them, such points tend to be dominated by bias and unsubstantive.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13361461 and marked it off-topic.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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"if the salary isn't really high..." How high? Why is 100k a magic number? 100k isn't even a big deal in SF or NYC. While a high skilled scientist working in say, Corning, NY at Corning Corp or Niskayuna, NY at GE's research labs, 100k enables a king's life. How would you adjust for experience? Perhaps a company sees immense potential and cultural fit in an employee and wants to groom them for future roles? The wages…

> How high? Why is 100k a magic number? 100k isn't even a big deal in SF or NYC. While a high skilled scientist working in say, Corning, NY at Corning Corp or Niskayuna, NY at GE's research labs, 100k enables a king's life. Highly skilled workers do not receive cost of living adjustments. I've been recruited for jobs in low cost of living and high cost of living areas. The pay is the same in both when there is a true…

Outside of a small handful of areas (SV, Seattle, NY, a few others), it's very difficult to find anything in the $300K+ "total package" range. In SV all you have to do is get yourself hired by one of the top firms and then stay in the saddle while your stock vests and not suck too bad. Voila, 400K a year (much of which you will pay in taxes, but nonetheless). I challenge anyone to find a non-manager software engineering job that pays mid six figures in the Midwest.

Re: H-1B Visas: U.S. Lawmaker Re-Introduces Bill to Tighten Rules

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I was a full time H1B employee at AMEX for 3 years. Its not only the Indian outsourcing firms who abuse the H1B visa system. All American companies including AMEX also do that. The company never even had plans to give me a promotion, not even increase my salary a bit even though I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises a…

That sounds like a toxic company culture and I'm sorry you experienced that.

But H1B's can be transferred to a new job. Why didn't you apply to a different company. Working harder than everyone else for a year should put you way ahead, no?

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