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Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I've had this and private offices... what happens is that difficult conversations can't take place except outside of the office (unless there is another space to go). Need to have a 1-1? Everyone else hears it. No meta conversations can take place unless someone is willing to go out for some coffee. The team banter ends up being trivial, and can be incredibly distracting if you need to buckle down to get something do…

Your office doesn't have a single shared meeting room? Most places I've seen with open offices have some sort of meeting rooms to use for private conversations. How do you have a client call or anything of that matter?

It does, with shared walls with another meeting room (where one can hear a lot of what goes on in the next room). Its considered neutral ground, and honestly it doesn't work well for private conversations (everyone in the office knows you're both tense and holed up in a room). I find that conversations take a different tone in a shared rather than private environment.

Yes, people do use it for those conversations, but you have to walk past all the business/marketing/sales people and your boss(s). Outside the office is a place to confide - where an "official" meeting or neutral meeting room is a place that puts everyone on the defensive, more so than anywhere else.

The idea put forth by Mark Cuban that "there should be no secrets at a startup" is extremely unfounded in my opinion - unpopular opinions or contrary positions frequently only flow in privacy as to not cause embarrassment or hostility.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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For me, density and team layout makes a big impact between a good open plan space and a horrible one. I worked for FB in NYC, and found that when visiting Menlo Park hq, the open plan there didn't bother me at all -- if anything, I was actually way more productive there. The density at MPK was low enough that the noise/distraction level was minimal, and all of the surrounding teams were working on similar parts of th…

The NYC office has gotten a lot better as we have expanded. I actually now find the NYC office to be the most productive space in the company.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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(Disclosure: FB employee) Most of the problems about overhearing conversations, etc, can be dealt with by a nice pair of headphones. Here, it's universally accepted as the 'do not disturb' signal.

What about all of the visual distractions? People walking by, mingling, etc. Headphones don't solve that.

Indeed. I suspect people differ widely in how distracting they find those things -- else it'd baffle me why headphones keep getting brought up.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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They're common. https://www.amazon.com/Day-Light-Classic-Bright-Light-Therap...

10,000 != 100,000

Yeah, I wasn't really talking about the lux level, but rather about "cheating natural daylight". Unless your office window is getting direct mid-day sun (so it's.. a skylight?) you aren't getting close to 100k lux.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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As an anecdatum, I am disinterested in Facebook because of that large open office. I currently have my own office, and like that very much. It will be interesting to see where this all goes.

Dealbreaker for me too. I once worked in a cattle pen like that for a month, and I'd have quit if it'd been permanent.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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When my company moved to an open office plan we, the developers, tried to argue that we needed the ability to concentrate and that this would hinder that. We were told that every job required concentration and that we shouldn't be such prima donnas who think we are special snowflakes. Someday I'm going to get a special snowglobe and shove it down the throat of the sales lady who sits next to me who holds conference c…

Have you seen "Makers vs Managers" ? http://paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I always thought open offices became popular because it was literally the cheapest set up for facilities. For startups it worked because all you had to buy was desks. Somehow that got spun in to 'open offices are so sexy!' Open offices are horrible for productivity imo. Moved to a job with an office and it is so. much. better.

That's why we have them... we literally can't afford to give everyone (or anyone for that matter) a private office.

That's what cubicles are for.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I don't know if Epic is a private office nirvana for each of their employees, but to be fair, it does sound like the majority do have a private office. I only live in the area and hear stuff second- and third-hand, but I gather an increasing number of Epic employees are assigned to shared offices. The Boston Globe's glowing commentary on the campus concurs: "Most employees have a private office; some share one with a…

I've heard the same thing. From what I understand, the issue is that Epic is growing faster than buildings can be built. Regardless, while a shared office is worse than a private office, it's way better than almost any other option. I've worked in a shared office with a partition, a cubicle farm, and an open office, and the shared office was the best work environment by a huge margin.

Sharing an office is great if both of your backs are to the wall. If not, it turns into hell.

Re: Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?

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I work in an open office, and have been to Facebook's open office campus many times. I love working in an open office, and think Facebook's campus looks excellent. I think the disadvantages of open offices are radically exaggerated by people who have difficulty imagining how easy it is to book a small conference room for yourself for a few hours, to walk away to a hotel desk in a more quiet part of the office, or (mo…

Because it's wasteful to book a room for a single person which is, as the name suggests, for conferencing.

Since when did a desk become a loud space and a conference room is quiet?

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