Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?

No! No more slack!

* Rocketchat * Gitter * Let's Chat https://github.com/sdelements/lets-chat * Baloons https://github.com/rickyrauch/Balloons.IO * Friends https://github.com/moose-team/friends * Chats https://github.com/acani/Chats * HackChat https://github.com/AndrewBelt/hack.chat * Jabbr https://github.com/JabbR/JabbR * qTox https://github.com/tux3/qTox * TorChat https://github.com/prof7bit/TorChat

I bet that they can be just as friendly using an open source application on golang-based kubernetes clusters.

Thanks for the pointers.

I think this may be where part of the breakdown comes in. I don't want to be a "Drupal developer", don't want to devote huge amounts of time to the project (though I may release a couple of modules of the stuff I develop for my own use at some point), and don't necessarily want a guide (though someone that answers my questions about the incredibly complex abstractions in Drupal would certainly be helpful, I don't believe I'm entitled to such).

I want to fix bugs and add missing functionality that prevent me from launching my site, send the patches to fix those bugs to the people who maintain the component or module, and then move on to the next problem in my deployment. When I send those patches in, it's because I hope to never have to deal with the problem again. I've been casually poking my head into Drupal every now and then for years. I'd almost be willing to say the problem of casual contribution is worse than it was, say, 7 years ago.

That sort of casual contribution has rarely been an issue in the past with other projects; I've got patches in dozens, maybe hundreds, of OSS projects at this point. I don't mean to overvalue it and say this is priceless knowledge I'm imparting. Often it's just a couple of lines of code or a documentation correction, but each one adds up to a slightly better project. And, it's kinda how this stuff is supposed to work. Enough eyes makes all bugs shallow, that kind of thing. If I have to maintain a custom fork of several modules, and a piece of core, just to keep my site going, my experience becomes drastically less pleasant, and my reasons for using Drupal become less compelling. Much of the automation I have in place for staying on top of updates and such breaks down at that point.

I'm sounding grumpier about it than I actually am, probably, as I don't begrudge anyone not doing something for free. I'm happy to have all of these components that mostly work well together, and do useful stuff, for free. And, I'm willing to put in the work to make it suit my needs. But, when I see the suggestion that it's an excellent example of a helpful community, I have to take exception, as it's definitely not been my experience. Drupal forums and ticket tracker responses can be downright dismissive, at times, particularly when someone is coming from another system or framework and doesn't understand the Drupal jargon (which is vast, confusing, and often weird).

    > Maybe to you, but others argue that it's bad for society etc. 
    > It wasn't so "settled" in 2008 when Eich donated and that cause
    > won the election. I'm not even sure a significant portion calling
    > for his resignation would have supported an apology, if he 
    > decided to change his position. 

I think a lot of people would gladly have accepted a change of heart. I know I would have - perhaps for selfish reasons, since I used to think gay marriage wasn't the best idea. [1] Certainly the public has shown a willingness to vote for politicians who've changed their minds.

   > This is the opposite of a free, healthy, diverse society.

The executives of a company are held to a different standard because they represent their companies to a much greater extent than the average employee.

I do not expect every Mozilla employee or contributor to subscribe to a specific set of political views, and I've never heard anybody calling for such a thing when it comes to Mozilla nor any other company. But I'm not going to be eager to support a corporation whose CEO has views I dislike. As we saw, a lot of other people felt that way as well.

Think about it: nobody would really blink an eye if they saw their Pepsi delivery man drinking a bottle of Coke - but surely we can understand how it would be big news if Pepsi's CEO drank Coke in public, and if it kept happening it might lead people to question whether or not he/she is the best person to lead PepsiCo.

   > all the same legal rights to polygamous marriages: 
   > it's maybe too easy to "abuse" by marrying yourself 
   > to every friend you want to give a piece of your
   > insurance coverage, tax breaks, etc.

Yeah, it would certainly be a logistical nightmare! Imagine all the software that would need to be rewritten. We are probably talking about a mess to rival Y2K. Relative to the Y2K thing, less software would need to be changed. But the affected software would need to be changed pretty drastically.

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[1] I thought legally recognized civil unions were a better idea, but then I decided it'd be "separate but equal" all over again and that didn't work the first time.

I haven't received the source code package and don't intend to do that.

The license on the Unreal Engine source code is not GPLv2, it is a EULA that does not meet the Open Source Definition.

https://www.unrealengine.com/eula https://opensource.org/osd

Thanks for the explanations, that explains your GPLv2 post well.

As far as I know there is no phrase that describes software whose source code has been intentionally publicly released under a license that doesn't meet the OSD/etc. I definitely wouldn't take the lower-case "open source" as meaning that. Perhaps "proprietary public source code"?