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Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
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Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.
I find it very significant that Eich's supporters always reference "his beliefs" in the vaguest possible sense, and never "his belief that gay Americans ought to be denied various legal rights." Denying legal rights to a group of people is not compatible with Mozilla's mission or spirit.
> ought to be denied various legal rights
I think you have to be a little more specific. If merely removing a former legal right is evil, who were the bad guys when a Maryland referendum removed the right to own slaves[0]? Yes, I went there, but hear me out. I think you need to talk about moral rights, not legal rights, because some legal rights came about because of bad laws or the court evolving the laws contrary to the voters' wishes. (By referring to the voters' wishes, I'm not endorsing "might makes right" per se but noting that voters essentially, if indirectly, define what is "legal" so you ought to appeal to morality instead.)
Also, if the correct position is that marriage in any shape is a legal right, are we going to crucify people who made polygamy illegal?[1] Or since they're dead now, can we hold it against any current official who does not actively support this kind of marriage equality? Is tolerating an unjust status quo less evil than changing it for the worse? Or, what argument can you make to prohibit polygamy that won't sound awfully like the arguments against gay marriage?
I'm maybe being crippled by idealism and naivety here, but I guess I'm bothered by people adopting fashionable causes as a reason to hate people who don't believe in them, when we're all hypocrites and there's injustice everywhere if you have an open mind.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/the-not-qui... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmunds%E2%80%93Tucker_Act
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#233Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is Unreal Engine really open source? Doesn't look like it to me. https://www.unrealengine.com/eula
Yes it is open source, but not libre / free. i.e: not GPL / BSD / MIT style etc... If you want to view and modify the code you can. So it is open in that sense.
That doesn't sound like the open source that I know.
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes it is open source, but not libre / free. i.e: not GPL / BSD / MIT style etc... If you want to view and modify the code you can. So it is open in that sense.
I think the pithy phrase you were looking for was "It's open source, but not Free Software.". :)
No, it is more like "The source code is available if you register but it is not Open Source and not Free Software".
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
A litmus test of a great community is how they deal with people who are technically useful but socially reprehensible.
That's an awfully strong judgment to make on the sole basis of a $1000 donation to a popular cause (one that won the election, no less). It's not like he was a leader of the anti- gay-marriage movement. If he didn't bring his politics to work, there was no good reason for anyone else to. There's no evidence that his views on gay marriage affected how he treated anyone at Mozilla. Not a single complaint as far as I've…
> Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society.
The word for this used to be "tolerance".
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ultimate and delicious irony of your comment is that you endorse a behavior that is in and of itself toxic -- publicly crucifying somebody because you don't agree with their beliefs. This line of thinking is not only dangerous, it's downright disgusting.
I find it very significant that Eich's supporters always reference "his beliefs" in the vaguest possible sense, and never "his belief that gay Americans ought to be denied various legal rights." Denying legal rights to a group of people is not compatible with Mozilla's mission or spirit.
> Denying legal rights to a group of people is not compatible with Mozilla's mission or spirit.
1. What about denying freedom of expression? (Is it OK if society is repressive if the laws are liberal?)
2. The case for special provision for heterosexual couples has never really been considered since it's generally shut down as hateful (or awkward... most people put a premium on seeming nice) before the conversation even starts.
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#238Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#239Find the projects that speak to you then check in on the communities. Contributing to open source is first and foremost _work_. A community can turn you off from participating, but the motivation to contribute only comes from the product. And you might be surprised at the difference between what it's like to contribute to any random project compared to what a "news" blogger that needs to generate hits wants you to th…
This is really the correct answer: Why do you want to participate in an open-source project in the first place? If it's to gain brownie points for your CV, it's quite likely that you'll get nowhere, because that's a motivation right along with "earn money". The difference to just getting a random software development job for earning money is that at the random job, you will be in a team where tasks will naturally flo…
I understand where you're coming from but the open source community as a whole has a reputation (though whether it deserves this is another question) for being a potentially toxic thing to interact with.
I guess I read it as implicit in the question that they're looking for a bunch of open source projects that will be supportive of their contributions to then select one that they find interesting in order to avoid picking an interesting project, working on an issue couple of days only to be told to go %&@# themselves because the PR isn't formatted correctly or something.
Re: Ask HN: Which open source projects have kind, supportive, talented teams?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's an awfully strong judgment to make on the sole basis of a $1000 donation to a popular cause (one that won the election, no less). It's not like he was a leader of the anti- gay-marriage movement. If he didn't bring his politics to work, there was no good reason for anyone else to. There's no evidence that his views on gay marriage affected how he treated anyone at Mozilla. Not a single complaint as far as I've…
> Magnanimity in victory is a virtue for a democratic society. The word for this used to be "tolerance".
Which has limits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance