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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Not kids. Teachers.

Is it not more productive for teachers to teach something they know? If a kid has a question about Linux and the teacher doesn't know Linux, they won't be able to answer the question. Likewise if a kid has a question about Windows and the teacher doesn't know Windows, they can't answer it. It doesn't matter what system it is, teachers are best at teaching what they already know.

If a teacher only knows DOS, he/she should teach DOS? ;)

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Depending on the type of user you are, but Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research.

"Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research." I think you need to be a bit more specific than that - for research in what field. I can think of several computational areas where either the OS is irrelevant or Windows is a better platform due to ecosystem issues. But yeah, supercomputers, servers, networking, etc, probably.

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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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What? These are not "old prejudices", Windows is still proprietary software and that's still harmful to user freedom. This is not just "one more channel for learning", it's a dying proprietary platform trying to piggyback on the success of a popular open-source platform.

Given that Microsoft is steadily becoming more open-source friendly and I'm seeing them being ridiculed for it across the web, I'd say a lot of old prejudice is at play. Besides, Google's version of Android is also proprietary software that is not only harmful to user freedom, it's also more and more privacy hostile every day. Yet Google is still held as the pinnacle of open source friendly companies in some circles.…

I distinguish between proprietary apps and proprietary kernel. The open source world can build its own apps. Mostly. However, it can't build its own kernel if the hardware is undocumented and/or only supported by OS-specific binary blobs. Drivers are key to a lot of things.

MS is a lot more open-source friendly, and smarter, but it's pretty clear that this is a strategy to get more people tied into ecosystems which favor proprietary Windows. MS is behind, so they're playing catch-up.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Depending on the type of user you are, but Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research.

Which way is Linux miles ahead ? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to understand. What features and functionality of Linux are missing in Windows that sets them miles apart ?

I use linux for research for several reasons. The most important reason is that I own several high performance computing resources that need to run code with as little interference from the OS as possible. Furthermore I need these machines to share a file system and I need to be able to set it up myself with little IT experience.

For my purposes Linux is dead simple to use, well documented (most of the time), and does exactly what I need it to do which is to stay the hell out of the way while I burn cycles on real work.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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So basically, you can set the example for kids to not give a crap about IP and that it is OK to study/do whatever they want with something they find online. Nevermind that because they have not signed the MS agreement it is basically stolen property. I see somebody mirrored it already.

Are Snowden's files a stolen property of NSA?

The NSA is a federal government agency, and as such, its works are not subject to copyright. Snowden leaked only public-domain information.

(Ask an irrelevant question, get an irrelevant answer.)

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Just off the top of my head: package management, live-cd functionality, architecture support, command-line interfaces, GUI variety, kernel customization, scaling to low-powered harware, licencing.

GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

>like focus-stealing prevention

Example? I could show you thousands of issues on windows where a window has stolen focus and it wasn't prevented[0]

[0]: http://www.eightforums.com/

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

>like focus-stealing prevention Example? I could show you thousands of issues on windows where a window has stolen focus and it wasn't prevented[0] [0]: http://www.eightforums.com/

Could you link me to 2-3 of the actual posts instead of linking me to the entire forum?

In the meantime, it seems to me you've already conceded that Linux can't get it right, so I'm glad we agree there.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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I have been using the Windows 10 preview to play around with Powershell 5. Up until the 9926 build it was a big improvement. The 9926 build is the first I've noticed that the started Windows 7 "Search Program and Files" has been replaced with "Search the computer and web". Apparently you can't turn it off. I could not find a group policy or regedit tweak to turn it off. A Microsoft support article said you cannot, pe…

Argh! It's bad enough that the Help systems do this. If I'm going to Help, I want help the program I installed on my computer and I want it fast - don't search the entire internet for something that should be instantly available already. I really hate to see this philosophy extending to everything. I already know how to use Google to search the web.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Nicely played. I'm a bit surprised at the amount of people in this thread equating Windows 10 for RPi with a desktop environment, though -- I'd be _very_ surprised if it had a desktop environment at all, considering that they're targeting it as an embedded system. You _might_ have graphics, but not a DE. Edited to add: based on this video, http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/2-511 , this will probably be consi…

Which makes sense, considering this is part of their IoT program. Microsoft isn't porting Windows 10 to the Raspberry Pi so that kids can use it. They're doing it for developers who want something cheaper and more powerful than an Intel Edison.
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