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Post by baddox » Wed, May 22, 2013, 4:22 PM UTC

infinite8s wrote: post #255

ahallock wrote: post #237

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> Its definitional: if you aren't seeking the threat of state enforcement to enforce a set of mutual promises, you don't have a contract, you have a mutual set of promises that lacks the intent necessary to form a contract. That is one definition, but not the only. And I'm sure there are creative ways to enforce contracts without State force--third-party arbitration could be an option, social pressure, etc. Most cont…

What do you think a representational government is except the exertion of social pressure backed by force?

Post by HarryHirsch » Wed, May 22, 2013, 4:55 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #243

ahallock wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its definitional: if you aren't seeking the threat of state enforcement to enforce a set of mutual promises, you don't have a contract, you have a mutual set of promises that lacks the intent necessary to form a contract. That is one definition, but not the only. And I'm sure there are creative ways to enforce contracts without State force--third-party arbitration could be an option, social pressure, etc. Most cont…

I'll add: third-party arbitration is already quite common, and in many cases is very deliberately used to avoid the government alternative. The definition proposed by that commenter indicates to me that he or she is simply unaware of the existence and commonness of arbitration.

Post by vacri » Wed, May 22, 2013, 9:44 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #257

vacri wrote: post #256

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It's a standard libertarian meme. Resist the government long enough and eventually - eventually might take years - someone wearing a gun will come and arrest you. Since they're arresting you with superior arms to the point of perhaps pointing them at you, this means doing so is violent, hence everything the government ever does is 'backed by violence', hence everything they ever do to limit you in any way is 'violen'…

This is one of those ideas that became a meme because it is unquestionably true. Ideas which are true tend to spread quickly. And, regarding this specific example, it's ludicrous to claim that it might take years if you violate zoning regulations. It would be more like hours.

Post by baddox » Thu, May 23, 2013, 2:35 AM UTC

vacri wrote: post #265

baddox wrote: post #257

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This is one of those ideas that became a meme because it is unquestionably true. Ideas which are true tend to spread quickly. And, regarding this specific example, it's ludicrous to claim that it might take years if you violate zoning regulations. It would be more like hours.

Ideas which are true tend to spread quickly. Nonsense. History is full of true ideas getting pounded flat. Sensationalist journalism is more effective than true journalism. So on and so forth. If "true ideas spread quickly", then religion would be dead in the water, all around the world. And seriously, hours between doing some tanning and getting arrested for violation of zoning laws!? Zoning law violation rarely end…

Post by baddox » Thu, May 23, 2013, 2:39 AM UTC

infinite8s wrote: post #218

ahallock wrote: post #204

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So because there is dependence on some monopolistic entity for contract disputes (there really shouldn't be), then that gives justification for that entity to intrude on voluntary actions? Seems like a logical fallacy to me. How about we let people transact peacefully and deal with the problems on a case-by-case basis instead of lumping everyone under the same law that allows no room for exploration.

By monopolistic entity, do you mean society? If you don't want to live by the rules of the society you are in, you are free to withdraw yourself and find somewhere else without such onerous restrictions. Likely you'll find it much worse place to live.