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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by newnewnew »

speeder wrote: post #50
antr wrote: post #11

In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to women. If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose.

There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and…

You've discovered Marxism! Marxism views the world through the lens of class conflict. In Marxist thought, racism and sexism can only be committed by dominant groups. So blatant discrimination and double standards against them are okay.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by overgryphon »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153
chime wrote: post #25

Wow, it's like everything that I used to fear about the dating world put into one shiny app. Had this been out years ago when I was single, it would've definitely given me a lot of anxiety. Having been happily married for 5 years, all I can say to single folks is that if someone actively rates people on apps/sites like this, they are most likely not the kind of people you want to be with in the long run. As for the s…

Not to mention, female privilege lets them call men "creepers" or "perverts" without question. I've pressed female friends about this and they just answer with "I didnt like the look he gave me" or "we just didnt click." So instead of understanding that most people are not compatible, we're now building a db to slander them based on purely emotional reasoning? If women are using this then it says a lot about the woma…

"Creepy" means "he made me feel threatened and unsafe". It's valuable information for women to share within their social group so that they can avoid uncomfortable situations.

Though it is not at all appropriate to share such information on a public online forum.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by papsosouid »

jtbigwoo wrote: post #108
neya wrote: post #69

Where are all the feminists now? This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men. I am seriously asking - Where are all the femi…

They're here: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/02/07/lulu_app_for... and here: http://jezebel.com/5982867/the-creepy-new-yelp-for-boys-and-... Do you not know how to use google?

Did you read that jezebel article? I'm not sure how you think "lol reddit r misogyny" is an example of feminists standing up for equal rights for men as they so often claim they do.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

jbattle wrote: post #174
wpietri wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've made a lot of soup out of a small amount of meat. Some quick replies to clear up misunderstandings: I agree that patriarchy is bad for men too. I disagree that it was equally bad for both genders. I disagree that we have reached balance. By "manning up", I don't mean reinforcing gender roles or maintaining gender inequality. I mean that men should, as the relatively privileged parties, not be whiny at either t…

I don't see why past & present inequality justify anything and everything that is bad for men/whites/whatever. Don't you see a difference between e.g. hiring policies that specifically advantage women and objecting to services that are potentially vicious and hurtful specifically to men? (I'm not convinced lulu is the latter, but assume for the moment it is).

I don't think one inequality justifies another.

I do think that to a privileged person, any move toward equality feels like inequality, because what they notice is things getting worse for them.

I also think that people emerging from oppression are liable to cross the line of exact equity from time to time. An as long as the swings are small, I'm ok with that. Specifically, as a guy, I'm saying I don't mind brushing off something that might be a bit of anti-guy sexism. Because that one small nettle-sting is nothing in proportion to the benefits I've received, or to the scope of the historical wrong that we are righting.

I don't know enough about Lulu to have an opinion on it. And for the record, I'm opposed to hiring practices that advantage women. I am strongly for, though, active practices to eliminate the disadvantage that women face.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by erikpukinskis »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #192
king_jester wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Particularly because you are punishing people, men, who have never participated in the subjugation of women. This is impossible, all men have and do participate in the subjugation of women so as systemic sexism exists.

But according to your logic, all women have participated in the subjugation of women through systemic sexism.

This is true. Sexism is not men vs women, it's all of us vs ourselves. But that doesn't mean men and women occupy the same space in the conflict.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by lmickh »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #251
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, female privilege lets them call men "creepers" or "perverts" without question. I've pressed female friends about this and they just answer with "I didnt like the look he gave me" or "we just didnt click." So instead of understanding that most people are not compatible, we're now building a db to slander them based on purely emotional reasoning? If women are using this then it says a lot about the woma…

Until we, as a society, can stop blaming women for their rapes (she was so sloshed, what did she think would happen when she got into bed with him?) women are going to be EXTREMELY conservative about these kinds of things. When it's your fault if he rapes you, you put "creepy" on a hair trigger.

Maybe you didn't mean to use that example, but I think your point is kind of defeated if you say when women are simply being conservative or cautious and append that to a very non-cautious act. Getting sloshed is not the cautious way to go about something whether you are male or female. Your chance of being a victim of a crime (not just sexual crimes) goes up when you get drunk.

Before anyone jumps the gun, I'm not saying that someone raped while drunk is at fault. Only that this is a bad example of someone acting cautious at all. Caution and being protective (or the lack there of) != fault.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by knowtheory »

neya wrote: post #219
jtbigwoo wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, Slate and Jezebel are unpopular. Nice trolling. (Oh crap, now I'm feeding the troll now, aren't I?)

Maybe I shouldn't feed you? Now, I am a troll because I oppose your narrow views suggesting 'Feminists are always right. Men are wrong' Because you posted two links in response to my argument that feminists don't commit to drama when it's the other side that's being hurt. But you paste just two blog posts that never got popular (I stand by this) trying to justify the fact that feminists did create an issue out of thi…

No, you're the troll because you don't appear to know any feminists, or what feminists read.

Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing).

You're also trolling by comparing a startup to the clusterfuck that was the Pycon incident. They are just simply not similar events. There have been creepy dating or hookup apps which have come up on Hacker News in the past. And this conversation (your trolling aside) very much resembled them.

So, please, tell us more about what you think feminists should be doing in detail. What should I as a feminist (someone who believes in equality more generally) have done?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by papsosouid »

mnicole wrote: post #245
crux_ wrote: post #201

The comments here are absolutely disgusting. Sure, this service is shallow, and absolutely disrespectful of privacy, etc... But the amount of faux outrage you're all whipping yourselves into a froth over is really over the top. So much hate and resentment. :( Oh, and those of you claiming there would be some sort of anti-man frenzy if there was a site targeting similar gossip by men? It's been done. No outrage. The m…

With all the commentary here you'd think all feminists are the kind that want to "overthrow" men and it's women's fault a company primarily consisting of men were funded, and have developed and marketed this app. There are far creepier and more intrusive apps and services out there. Instead of blindly blaming feminists (without actually understanding what most feminists actually stand for) for them being on the marke…

>Instead of blindly blaming feminists (without actually understanding what most feminists actually stand for) for them being on the marketplace

Why do discussions like this always get such ridiculous strawman arguments tossed around? Nobody is blaming feminists. People are pointing out that the vocal, hateful group of internet "feminists" constantly claim they are against sexism in all forms, and thus men's rights advocacy should not exist and those people should just be feminists. But in reality, when obvious sexism like this happens, those same "feminists" do not speak out against it.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

nawitus wrote: post #258
wpietri wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've made a lot of soup out of a small amount of meat. Some quick replies to clear up misunderstandings: I agree that patriarchy is bad for men too. I disagree that it was equally bad for both genders. I disagree that we have reached balance. By "manning up", I don't mean reinforcing gender roles or maintaining gender inequality. I mean that men should, as the relatively privileged parties, not be whiny at either t…

You're enforcing the stereotypical gender role of men: "Don't whine, that's unmanly, don't complain, deal with your own problems". That's pretty offending to me. I want people to treat other people as individuals, not representative of their gender. I don't care about my own gender role. I don't want people to say "man up" to men if I face some injustice. And I don't want (the reverse I guess) it happen to women eith…

I was echoing the words of the comment I was responding to. As I already explained to you, I am in favor of gender equality. Your high drama here comes across to me as concern trolling, especially given the other things you have posted.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by jules »

wpietri wrote: post #250
jimzvz wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...men should, as the relatively privileged parties, not be whiny at either the shift toward balance or the small anti-male inequities that crop up temporarily along the road to equity. Translated from feminist rhetoric: Men have no right to complain about discrimination against them. shanelja and nawitus , I think abundance of people with similar views to wpietri highlights how real your points actually are.

I think everybody has a right to complain. E.g., the recent rich people complaining that their tax rates might become almost as high as their secretaries? They're totally within their legal right to complain. But I have the legal right to say that they're whiny idiots when they appear unable to notice or acknowledge the context of their complaint. If you're going to cry, "have sympathy for meeeeeee", you really shoul…

I hope you realize the irony in your last sentence.
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