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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by baq »

fakedang wrote: post #179
cedws wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thinking that every task must be stuffed into the most 'advanced' (expensive) model out there is idiotic, and it's not only you unfortunately. At $JOB I have warned higher ups we should try to keep our expenditure under control, educate people that document slinging doesn't require Fable every time and demo the capabilities of the cheaper models, and been snubbed for it. When Fable is available once again our bi…

This! I've found that for most coding, Sonnet is pretty good as it is. Yeah, you might need to finesse your prompt a bit more, and you'll probably be spending a bit more time on the computer, rather than a more hands-off approach, but at the end of the day, you'll save a lot more simply because you're using a good-enough model. If you're the one-shotting type, obviously then Fable might be useful, but I think only ma…

Sonnet is dogshit at coding unless you eval the exact niche to be fine and still watch it like a hawk.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

artisin wrote: post #224

Silly me for hoping they'd actually honor their original 14-day promise. Per their latest blog post, they've generously slashed the timeline to 7 days, but wait there's more! It's now limited to 50% of your weekly usage: > Fable 5 will be available starting tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1, to users globally... Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available v…

Hi subscription peasants! You have seven days of time and 3.5 days of usage to figure out how to get the most out of Fable while it constantly downgrades to Opus 4.8 every time it thinks about exploits while hardening your code base! Enjoy!

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by yeeetz »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #243
bluepeter wrote: post #202

Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/Ant…

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

they might as well not released it at all, what's the point of this theater and artificial scarcity

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by brailsafe »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #260
SwellJoe wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good news (for you and most everyone other than the current leading AI companies), the gap between the SOTA and the near-frontiers is getting smaller every week or two. The leading Chinese models are only a few months behind now (GLM 5.2 tickles the tail of GPT 5.3 or 5.4 and Opus 4.6, according to benchmarks and the vibes among heavy users who've spent some time with it), where they were a couple of years behind…

This is nonsense. The gap between Chinese models and American frontier models is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing. China has no flywheel for long-form agentic traces like Claude Code and its telemetry over its userbase (no one uses the Chinese harnesses yet). Most Chinese models are forced to price themselves significantly below cost to compete with the huge demand for bootleg claude t…

> is estimated at 10 months by Anthropic themselves, and it's growing.

How is this different than any business with something to lose saying a competitor isn't as good? Not saying it's false, but it would seem to me that it's more important how customers feel about the issue.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by matheusmoreira »

trunnell wrote: post #234
stavarotti wrote: post #55

I just finished reading Incorruptible and a central theme (Anthropic is a case study) is that trust is singularly the most important currency a business has. The past few weeks have done wonders for Anthropic’s marketing but just as much if not more damage to the trust factor. Businesses will continue to use Anthropic because it’s the default and accessible where it matters (AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks, Snowflake, et…

There is no reason to have less trust in Anthropic. It's not clear they did anything wrong. It's more likely the White House simply tied itself in knots, consistent with the last year and a half of chaos from them.

> It's not clear they did anything wrong.

Fable will literally sabotage you if it thinks you're trying to compete with Anthropic.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by mlyle »

SwellJoe wrote: post #199
rafram wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4.6 was released at the beginning of February, so if the Chinese models only "tickle its tail," that means they're >5 months behind.

What range of numbers do you believe "a few" represents?

Opinions vary, but:

A couple: usually 2, though not always

A few: 3, 4, 5

Several: 4, 5, 6, or 7.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by sparkling »

chews wrote: post #53
petcat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cares about this temporary "ban" by the US government. If anything it only increased the mystique of the two models. I think Europe and Canada are just happy not to be frozen out of AI access completely at this point.

I bought a GLM 1 year subscription and changed my environment variables to use Claude Code... yep the same one that is using stegonography to send details about users to the model. China knows where I live, I'm not getting ripped off or rug pulled on their models either.

How has your experience been so far? Did you previously use Opus? Im curious how the overall "feel" of it is.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

Schiendelman wrote: post #252
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #248

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> That is not how most engineers define bad code. The engineers I have worked with most definitely define "bad code" as having intrinsic limitations and/or latent defects which impact successful system functionality/operation. Indicators provided to stakeholders such as yourself which support this assessment are, but not limited to: - the system doesn't work that way - the system lacks test coverage, so changes take…

Please stop being rude to me. I'm a human being, I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer (you can google my name, I'm the only one), and the way you are behaving sucks. Everything you're saying is true, sometimes. Assume I'm still right, and that you might be able to learn something from someone else.

> Please stop being rude to me.

I do not see how I was being rude, unless it was my use of quotations around the title you claim.

> I'm a human being ...

I did not doubt this.

> ... I'm a very experienced product manager and engineer ...

Again, if it was my use of quotations which you found to be rude, then I do not know what to say about that.

> ... and the way you are behaving sucks.

I respect your perspective and support your right to express yourself. And no, I do not think you are being rude by doing so.

> Assume I'm still right ...

Why would I? You responded to:

>> This is a site full of developers who are convinced that "proper software engineering" is 100% of what makes a business successful, and everything and everyone else is useless.

With:

> As a technical product manager, this 1000%.

Finally, you write:

> ... you might be able to learn something from someone else.

Maybe you can learn something from someone else as well.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Aurornis »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #29

The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge. Now whether AI tech is in the same league as say Nuclear tech and therefore by any reasonable standard should be regulated is a different question. We hit the slippery slope on a random day in June 2026 and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Any exec…

> The damage is done. You cannot build a business critical function on top of American SOTA frontier model. Especially not with the current crew in charge.

The switching costs of changing LLM providers is as low as it gets. All the individuals and startups I know try different models all of the time, even down to the level of choosing which provider to use based on the task. Bigger companies move slower but only because they have lawyers and teams negotiating contracts, not because there is a technical reason that it's hard to switch.

Companies have dealt with supply chain unpredictability by having multiple providers and switching between them since forever. It's infinitely easier to switch LLM providers than it is to deal with physical supply chain uncertainty.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by siva7 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #243
bluepeter wrote: post #202

Fable 5 apparently can't be used for coding? (This is from Anthropic's announcement.) > After a series of productive conversations with the US government, we're redeploying the model with a new set of classifiers to target and block more cybersecurity tasks. In the near term, some routine tasks like coding and debugging will fall back to Opus 4.8. Edit: the above was from their tweet announcement at https://x.com/Ant…

> Fable 5 will be included for up to 50% of weekly usage limits through July 7, after which it will be available via usage credits. > The new classifier also comes at the cost of flagging benign requests more often during routine coding and debugging tasks. Here's Fable 5, the strongest model. Actually try to use it to harden your code and it turns into Opus 4.8. You have seven days to use it, and only half of that t…

So fable will jump more often to Opus than it already did on original release? Working with fable felt like having to constantly fight against your work tool. Frustrating. Now they're making it even more frustrating.
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