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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by ericmay »

intrasight wrote: post #95
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.

Yes he does. They could ignore the US government, but will likely quickly find themselves in court fighting a fight that they are likely to lose and isn’t worth fighting anyway.

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Post by twoodfin »

preg_match wrote: post #217
twoodfin wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chevron doctrine gave more power to the executive agencies of the current administration, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

That repealing the chevron doctrine was a calculated play in the unitary executive theory. We all know congress is basically useless these days. But we also know that regulation isn’t, like, optional. It’s going to happen no matter what. So what’s left? Where does that decision making go? Turns out the executive, so that’s what we’ve been seeing and it’s largely uncontested. This should have been obvious to most peop…

Repeal of the Chevron doctrine took the power of deference away from executive agencies and replaced it with first-principles judicial interpretation of statutes.

Chevron and the unitary executive theory have essentially nothing to do with each other.

I’m still not sure what point is attempting to be made here.

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Post by naturalmovement »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #252
naturalmovement wrote: post #105

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I'm not being facetious, can you direct us to which laws are in play here? Specifically, why different models can be classified as different exports that need separate approvals?

Section 5 Part 2 (Information Security) of the EAR Commerce Control List likely applies.

IANAL; you need to be one to interpret this stuff. These laws are as thick as a dictionary.

The EAR dates back to the Export Administration Act of 1979 but it was mostly overhauled by Congress in 2018.

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Post by greenavocado »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

China won't arrest you for wrongthink where you live now

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Post by greenavocado »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #248
tzs wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regulatory agencies limit uses of other products without acts of congress-- cigarettes, vapes, drugs, pesticides, chemicals, explosives. Every one of those is by a regulatory agency that was explicitly empowered by Congress to do such regulation.

right, and one minute to the next a gun you bought could be a crime to own and land you in jail LOL. congress has abdicated its role entirely.

  Dajcie mi człowieka, a paragraf się znajdzie
translates to:

  Give me the man and I will give you the case against him

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Post by ebbi »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

Given recent history, I'd be more likely to be killed by American actions than Chinese ones.

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Post by wolvoleo »

thrwaway55 wrote: post #44
wolvoleo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is the way things are now, isn't that going to crash the AI stocks? All those trillions dumped into it probably weren't with the expectation that it could only be sold to a handful of select US agencies and corporations.

They are all private aren't they? There's nothing to crash since the valuations were all made up funny raise numbers anyway. A donation to the right person likely removes the restrictions

But the effects on the industry as a whole are huge, look at the cost of memory, CPUs and GPUs. Many of the companies that make them are not private.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

intrasight wrote: post #95
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.

These regulations have been in place since the 1990s and have been applied by every administration. It isn’t a new authority and many companies have had the opportunity to fight it. Anthropic’s lawyers will know this.
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