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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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It was a red herring.

I really like this new HN skin for Reddit

Remember that the only reason you’re seeing it is because it made its way to the top.

The most likely reason for that is because the people you would expect to be on HN are still here and extremely frustrated with this behavior.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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I also got an email from Anthropic: "We're updating our Privacy Policy". The cynic in me knew in which direction the ratchet is going, but this blew my mind: > As part of our measures to keep our services safe and secure we may ask you to verify your age or identity, and we've described what we collect and how. Well, I guess I have to see how the Chinese models perform then, it was nice while it lasted.

In many cases they're amazing, too. And the visible reasoning and the pricing are amazing too.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Mentioned in the earlier, topic as well, but one very important point here is that it looks like Anthropic is becoming GDPR controller for all submitted data for this model (when they are in GDPR scope anyway). So data subjects would have Article 15 right to request information about processing and possibly a copy of the data. Latter might be contested under "rights of others", but former is more absolute. What this…

Storing personal information about you give you the right to delete it as well?

You have right to ask for it, but it doesn't guarantee that they will do it. It's also limited to data they hold as controller (i.e. the copy they hold for "safety" purposes), not the original copy that is controlled by customer. For that you will need to contact the source.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

Man... That's... Hilarious

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Bottom line is this:

The model is not affordable for the masses. When it is not affordable for masses then it cannot have a mass market. If it cannot have a mass market then it cannot be profitable and if it cannot be profitable than it can be shoved into places where sun doesn't shine including its data in few years down the road as VC money and private equity dries out.

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A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!

100%. Companies are paperclip optimizers, with money as the objective. For example, Uber used ride data to circumvent investigations by regulators. There is absolutely no reason to assume that AI companies would not use their data in any way possible to reach their objectives.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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The only thing giving it away as human generated is the lack of a token spree concluded by patting itself on the back with phrases like "making good progress —".

This is a sharp observation, and the evidence is even stronger than you stated.

ROTFL

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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One of the major attack vectors is distillation, where millions of questions are auto-generated and coordinated to produce training data for new LLMs. Anthropic alleges Minimax, Deepseek and Kimi were trained this way. Deepseek 4 compares favorably to Opus, so they're probably trying to prevent Deepseek 5 from being a bootleg Mythos. https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

> Anthropic alleges Minimax... were trained this way I've had some sessions this week with MiniMax M3 where it insisted it was Claude, even though there was no mention of Claude in any system prompts or context I gave to it, and it was running in my own API harness (not Claude Code). Though I also wouldn't be surprised if "I am claude" is just the new "I am Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit KHTML Like-Gecko Chrome Safari".

It's a fairly common name to begin with.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Does *anybody* believe their weasel words? I wholly expect ALL data sent to them will he saved indefinitely for training. And I mean all. Voice, text, pictures, scraped websites. You name it.

All the LLM vendors are the biggest commercial pirates ever known. And they got away with it. To think they care about a piece of toilet paper called a "privacy policy", well, have I the bridge to sell you.

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