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U.S. DOJ demands Apple and Google unmask over 100k users of car-tinkering app

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Post by kstrauser »

vasco wrote: post #252
kstrauser wrote: post #34

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I watched a pickup roll coal in the middle of freaking East Bay, literally within site of downtown San Francisco, on a bicyclist. I reported their license to the California Air Resources Board, and not longer after that I saw it up on jacks in a neighborhood auto shop. That made my day. Asshole.

> and not longer after that I saw it up on jacks in a neighborhood auto shop Things that didn't happen for 200 please

#NothingEverHappens

In the real world, sometimes grownups have to actively do things to make their worlds nicer. We can’t all just sit around being cynical or nothing ever gets done.

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Post by donkyrf »

cogman10 wrote: post #242
porknubbins wrote: post #240

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I don’t known if its the heat or lack of greenery but everything I hear about riding bikes or motocycles in Texas just makes it sounds like there is some deep latent aggression there. I have bicycled in a bunch of states including the Southeast and never encountered anything like the stories people tell about Texas.

It has basically 0 pedestrian or bike infrastructure (at least where I was at, Irving, was that way). You have to drive everywhere otherwise you are literally in the middle of the got dang road. The speed limits are also all high. They get up to 50 mph in as many places as possible. It also doesn't help that they've got some of the worst road marking of any state I've been in. There were a lot of roads where it was s…

> I don't think it's so much aggression as it is really really terrible infrastructure.

These are separate issues. Both are real.

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Post by yieldcrv »

I think everyone here is playing their part

But I don’t see this as absurd, intermediaries are always loose ends

The only news here is if the intermediaries complied or not

If the idea of “being on a list” actually guides your behavior, then argue that chilling effect in federal court. I mean if you have the rights as a naturalized-since-birth citizen, since others might not be able to reach a federal court before being kidnapped and renditioned

Downloading an app isn't a crime, you can still have TSA-precheck and run for office just because the government knows you downloaded an app or have the tor browser or something

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Post by donkyrf »

hughdbrown wrote: post #100
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #25

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For those, like me, who aren't familiar with the term "rolling coal": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

I had a driver in a Ford F-150 do this in front of me last week as he pulled away from a light. The smoke totally blacked out the windshield for 5 seconds while I was in motion. I was totally blinded by this. I had no idea this was a thing, much less that it was something people did on purpose.

It's very much on purpose. To do it with a modern diesel truck you need to remove the DPF, and reprogram the ECU to run rich and to ignore the missing DPF.

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Post by tylerchilds »

bornfreddy wrote: post #118
tylerchilds wrote: post #89

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Also I daily drive graphene and that has no Google play services

Unless you want push notifications.

I get signal notifications. Anyone I want to talk to uses signal.

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Post by emdash »

traderj0e wrote: post #177
repiret wrote: post #144

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Periodic vehicle inspection for emissions and safety compliance. Many jurisdictions already have this for gas engine emissions, a handful of states already have safety inspections. Done right, it can be low burden and low cost, and basically put an end to Def deletion. Done poorly it's grift to the shops that do the inspections, and an economically external annoyance to vehicle owners, and unnecessarily limits the ab…

I don't really care how it affects car modders or people with sports cars. I have a sports car, and yeah the California smog test has been super annoying cause of electrical problems with that are unrelated to its actual emissions, but I knew what I was getting into when I bought something known for unreliability. Fixed it myself. There's a dude across the street with a modded car who always complains he has to bribe…

California's way of doing it is really frustrating and very clearly meant to force older cars off the road and push people into buying new ones in an effort to help out dealers and car manufacturers.

My car is a bit older but its perfectly reliable. It doesn't require a monthly subscription, it doesn't track my location, it doesn't have a remote kill switch, and the title isn't owned by some bank. It would even blow fine on an emissions test. I still couldn't use it in California though because some of the original emissions equipment has failed and original replacements are impossible to find so alternative replacements have had to be used instead.

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Post by emdash »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #214
Computer0 wrote: post #210

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As someone who lives in a state that got rid of emissions testing before I could drive it sounds like a horrifying thing to have to deal with.

Why is it horrifying? I've taken cars in for testing for years. It's pretty quick and painless.

My car wouldn't pass, not because it can't pass the emissions test, but because the original equipment that California requires by law failed years ago and replacements are not available. So I would be forced to get rid of my perfectly good car and buy an expensive new one not because it doesn't work, but because the law strictly requires original equipment.

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Post by lovich »

jazz9k wrote: post #191
lovich wrote: post #119

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With this admin any comment on “protecting the environment” is an obvious lie when they state that climate change doesn’t exist and are opening up every national land then can to resource extraction. Like it’s normally a dubious claim when trying to violate privacy but for them it’s fucking laughable if only it wasn’t so ominous.

Even the so-called experts on climate change, like Bill Gates, have given up on it.

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Post by emdash »

traderj0e wrote: post #173
whalesalad wrote: post #164

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federal and state governments buy and operate diesel vehicles without emissions controls because of how bad they are in critical situations. rules for thee but not for me.

These drivers aren't in critical situations, and their mods aren't designed for that

If my car fails while I'm driving over the mountain in the winter and leaves me stranded outside of cell service in sub zero weather, that would be a critical situation.

If my car fails while I'm driving through the desert and leaves me stranded in 100+ degree heat in the summer, that would be a critical situation.

If my car fails while I'm driving on a busy part of I5, that could be a critical situation.

I get that the rolling coal mods or whatever aren't designed to improve reliability, but things like deleting EGR or modifying the control logic for the DEF system are and can prevent a vehicle from failing in a situation that could be life threatening. Again, the government already knows this which is why they order their vehicles with those exact modifications already done.

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Post by emdash »

ryeights wrote: post #194
whalesalad wrote: post #185

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I'm realizing a lot of folks in this thread do not understand diesel emissions systems at all and why you might want to delete one.

I understand and I don't care. Your personal interests as a diesel truck driver don't override others' interests in health and clean air

Refusing to understand something and are making an uninformed decision as a result isn't a great thing to brag about.

The fact is, emissions regulations in many ways have nothing to do with health or clean air. I don't drive a diesel truck myself so its not like I'm trying to defend my own behavior or anything. I'm a former automotive engineer who is unfortunately very familiar with the regulations and how nonsensical they are.

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