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Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Re: Oracle files H-1B visa petitions amid mass layoffs

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

ghighi7878 wrote: post #214
avidiax wrote: post #153

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I actually have applied, and I got the offer. And I didn't take it. Because Oracle is known for poor working conditions. Why can Oracle continue to hire good talent despite offering poor working conditions? H1-B. Is it circular? Absolutely. There really should be a strict maximum percentage of visa hires for any particular job type at a company. Say, 2x the overall average for that job category, and never to exceed 3…

Do you think they would instead shift to India if these measures continue. The talent is there. 80% of the for talent is currently in US due to H1b but will move back to India. And it might be cheaper to just shift offices to India

No way. Because then the executives will have to move to india as well.

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Post by Izikiel43 »

MrWiffles wrote: post #120

What I’m not clear on - how many of these H1B hires are subject to the EO that jacked up the fee to $100k per person? Assuming even just 100 of them were, that’s still ten million USD (assuming I didn’t visualize the zeroes in my head wrong…), and a really large fee to justify to the board if you’re otherwise paying “roughly the same” in salary. Productivity is going to basically break even anyway after a few years.…

The fee only applies for consular processing, i.e., people outside the country.

There are a bunch of people in the country as students in US universities with an F visa. If they get a job, the employer can apply for an h1b, and the fee doesn't apply to them because they aren't getting a visa, they are changing status (might sound like potato/potata, but the difference exists and applies).

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Post by Izikiel43 »

suid wrote: post #131
MrWiffles wrote: post #120

What I’m not clear on - how many of these H1B hires are subject to the EO that jacked up the fee to $100k per person? Assuming even just 100 of them were, that’s still ten million USD (assuming I didn’t visualize the zeroes in my head wrong…), and a really large fee to justify to the board if you’re otherwise paying “roughly the same” in salary. Productivity is going to basically break even anyway after a few years.…

Remember that there was a "one-time fee" exception for "favored clients" (read: friends of Trump), who could pay a single lump-sum of something like $1 million, and then apply for unlimited H-1B's at the old fee structure.

There are a lot of international students in the US for whom the fee doesn't apply as they would be changing status, not getting a visa.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dangus wrote: post #249
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #228

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> Only because the inflation metrics don't include housing Which price index are you looking at that doesn’t include housing?

Consumer price index is probably the most common one and it doesn’t include housing.

> Consumer price index is probably the most common one and it doesn’t include housing

Almost all BLS price indices, including CPI, include housing. (CPI measures the “rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, utilities, bedroom furniture” [1].)

[1] https://www.bls.gov/opub/hom/cpi/concepts.htm#the-cpi-as-a-c...

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Post by grumpy_coder »

dcreater wrote: post #195
darth_avocado wrote: post #114

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Also to cut through the headlines once again. What the article actually says: > Federal data shows Oracle filed for 2,690 H-1B visas in fiscal year 2025 and 436 so far in fiscal year 2026, totaling over 3,100 visa requests. There is no proof that these people were also not part of the layoffs. Typically in layoffs, until the day off the announcement, it’s just business as usual. Which means people keep getting hired…

Yes, Its sad to see the reactionary hate triggered by a misleading article. The number from 2025 is not really relevant when the layoffs were in March 2026. The article author clearly has a narrative they want to push. And of the 436 petitions in 2026, only 235 are new hires (remaining are continuing approvals). Hardly a scandal there. Especially if they're likely hiring AI engineers and laying off call center employ…

The cuts include workers in senior director and vice president roles, as well as managers, product developers, product managers, program managers, software developers, site reliability developers, technical analysts, user experience developers and others.

They are in no-way laying off call center employees, they are laying off tens of thousands of the most highly paid US workers.

And yes the numbers of H1Bs granted in 2025 is relevant. You don't layoff 20% of your 100,000+ people workforce all of a sudden 'cos March went badly.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dangus wrote: post #251
noosphr wrote: post #171

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That is not hourly earnings. Americans are working longer than they did in 1970. On top of that even if we take your link at face value that's a 0.35% growth per year. The medieval warm period had faster wage growth.

And let’s not forget that single income households converted to dual income households, from 47% to 66% of married couples. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/america-has-becom... (Not my favorite think tank but they have a nice chart.)

The real-wage data above aren’t household statistics.

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Post by rv3392 »

0x1ceb00da wrote: post #261
ghighi7878 wrote: post #214

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Do you think they would instead shift to India if these measures continue. The talent is there. 80% of the for talent is currently in US due to H1b but will move back to India. And it might be cheaper to just shift offices to India

No way. Because then the executives will have to move to india as well.

No they won't. Oracle already has many teams that report to a people manager in India/Mexico/etc. and then dotted line report to another manager in the USA who actually calls the shots.

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Post by qwerpy »

BeetleB wrote: post #134

To all the folks here complaining that there is plenty of talent in the US to fill those roles: Honestly tell me: Would you ever apply to Oracle for a job?

I was able to retire in my early 40s because Oracle paid early OCI engineers very well, in order to poach them from FAANGs. I wouldn’t recommend it now but “apply to Oracle for a job” did work out for some of us :)

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Post by darth_avocado »

grumpy_coder wrote: post #265
dcreater wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Its sad to see the reactionary hate triggered by a misleading article. The number from 2025 is not really relevant when the layoffs were in March 2026. The article author clearly has a narrative they want to push. And of the 436 petitions in 2026, only 235 are new hires (remaining are continuing approvals). Hardly a scandal there. Especially if they're likely hiring AI engineers and laying off call center employ…

The cuts include workers in senior director and vice president roles, as well as managers, product developers, product managers, program managers, software developers, site reliability developers, technical analysts, user experience developers and others. They are in no-way laying off call center employees, they are laying off tens of thousands of the most highly paid US workers. And yes the numbers of H1Bs granted i…

> And yes the numbers of H1Bs granted in 2025 is relevant. You don't layoff 20% of your 100,000+ people workforce all of a sudden 'cos March went badly.

You don’t know that the layoffs are happening tomorrow. That’s how layoffs work. Except for a few in the loop everyone else is largely in the dark. Hiring doesn’t stop, whether it’s us citizens or it’s H1Bs. 2025 hiring, whether H1B or not, is immaterial here.

Here’s an example of this: Coinbase reneged offers at the last minute. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coinbase-rescinds-acc...

I can share plenty more if you’d like.

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