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Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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The article names a lot of other things that AI is being used for besides scamming the elderly, such as making us distrust everything we see online, generating sexually explicit pictures of women without their consent, stealing all kinds of copyrighted material, driving autonomous killer drones and more generally sucking the joy out of everything. And I think I'm inclined to agree. There are a small amount of things…

You’re way off base. It can also create sexually explicit pictures of men.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but women are disproportionately affected by this than men.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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As an open source contributor and musician who is not rich, I am pretty stoked about the engineering, scientific and mathematical advancements being made in my lifetime. I have only become more creatively enabled when adopting these tools, and while I share the existential dread of becoming unemployable, I also am wearing machine-fabricated clothing and enjoying a host of other products of automation. I do not have s…

As an open source maintainer, I'm not stoked and I feel pretty much the opposite way. I've only become more annoyed when trying to adopt these tools, and felt more creative and more enabled by reducing their usage and going back to writing code by hand the old fashioned way. AI's only been useful to me as a commit message writer and a rubber duck. > I do not have selective guilt over modern generative tools because I…

There is a way for us to both get what we want out of software development without ideologically crusading against each other's ideals. We can each have these valid opinions about how generative technology personally integrates into our lives.

Of course, that might be less and less true about our work as time goes on. At some point in the future, hiring an engineer who refuses to use generative coding tools will be the equivalent of hiring someone today who refuses to use an IDE or even a tricked out emacs/vim and just programs everything in Notepad. That's cool if they enjoy it, but it's unproductive in an increasingly competitive industry.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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As an open source contributor and musician who is not rich, I am pretty stoked about the engineering, scientific and mathematical advancements being made in my lifetime. I have only become more creatively enabled when adopting these tools, and while I share the existential dread of becoming unemployable, I also am wearing machine-fabricated clothing and enjoying a host of other products of automation. I do not have s…

You can say the same thing as we invented the atomic bomb. Cool science and engineering, no doubt. Not paying any attention to societal effects is not cool. Plus, presenting things as inevitabilities is just plain confidently trying to predict the future. Anyone can san “I understand one day this era will be history and X will have happened”. Nobody knows how the future will play out. Anyone who says they do is a lia…

I do say the same thing about the bomb. It was very cool science and engineering. I've studied many of the scientists behind the Manhattan Project, and the work that got us there.

That doesn't mean I also must condone our use of the bomb, or condone US imperialism. I recognize the inevitability of atomic science; unless you halt all scientific progress forever under threat of violence, it is inevitable that a society will have to reckon with atomic science and its implications. It's still fascinating, dude. It's literally physics, it's nature, it's humbling and awesome and fearsome and invaluable all at the same time.

> Not paying any attention to societal effects is not cool.

This fails to properly contextualize the historical facts. The Nazis and Soviets were also racing to create an atomic bomb, and the world was in a crisis. Again, this isn't ignorant of US imperialism before, during or after the war and creation of the bomb. But it's important to properly contextualize history.

> Plus, presenting things as inevitabilities is just plain confidently trying to predict the future.

That's like trying to admonish someone for watching the Wright Brothers continually iterate on aviation, witnessing prototype heavier-than-air aircraft flying, and suggesting that one day flight will be an inevitable part of society.

The steady march of automation is an inevitability my friend, it's a universal fact stemming from entropy, and it's a fallacy to assume that anything presented as an inevitability is automatically a bad prediction. You can make claims about the limits of technology, but even if today's frontier models stop improving, we've already crossed a threshold.

> Anyone who says they do is a liar.

That's like calling me a liar for claiming that the sun will rise tomorrow. You're right; maybe it won't! Of course, we will have much, much bigger problems at that point. But any rational person would take my bet.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Can you name one thing generative AI enables that wasn't previously possible?

Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.

A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands.

The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't.

ChatGPT let's you...

Please complete the sentence without an analogy

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> There’s an extremely hurtful narrative going around that my product, a revolutionary new technology that exists to scam the elderly and make you distrust anything you see online, is harmful to society The article is certainly interesting as yet another indicator of the backlash against AI, but I must say, “exists to scam the elderly” is totally absurd. I get that this is satire, but satire has to have some basis in…

> The scams were enabled by the internet, does the internet exist for this purpose? Of course not.

But did it accelerate the whole process? Hell yeah.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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As an open source maintainer, I'm not stoked and I feel pretty much the opposite way. I've only become more annoyed when trying to adopt these tools, and felt more creative and more enabled by reducing their usage and going back to writing code by hand the old fashioned way. AI's only been useful to me as a commit message writer and a rubber duck. > I do not have selective guilt over modern generative tools because I…

There is a way for us to both get what we want out of software development without ideologically crusading against each other's ideals. We can each have these valid opinions about how generative technology personally integrates into our lives. Of course, that might be less and less true about our work as time goes on. At some point in the future, hiring an engineer who refuses to use generative coding tools will be t…

Perhaps so, but again I find your vision of the future overly optimistic. Luckily I'm self employed and don't have to worry about AI usage quotas and "being unproductive" in an increasingly unproductive and non-deterministic industry.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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> I think the big AI players really need a coherent plan for this if they don't want a lot of mainstream and eventually legislative pushback. That's by far not the worst that could happen. There could very well be an axe attached to the pendulum when it swings back. > Not to mention it's bad business if nobody can afford to use AI because they're unemployed. In that sense this is the opposite of the Ford story: the v…

We were going to have to reckon with these problems eventually as science and technology inevitably progressed. The problem is the world is plunged in chaos at the moment and being faced with a technology that has the potential to completely and rapidly transform society really isn't helping. Hatred of the technology itself is misplaced, and it is difficult sometimes debating these topics because anti-AI folk conflat…

> Hatred of the technology itself is misplaced

I think hatred is the wrong word. Concern is probably a better one and there are many things that are technology and that it is perfectly ok to be concerned about. If you're not somewhat concerned about AI then probably you have not yet thought about the possible futures that can stem from this particular invention and not all of those are good. See also: Atomic bombs, the machine gun, and the invention of gunpowder, each of which I'm sure may have some kind of contrived positive angle but whose net contribution to the world we live in was not necessarily a positive one. And I can see quite a few ways in which AI could very well be worse than all of those combined (as well as some ways in which it could be better, but for that to be the case humanity would first have to grow up a lot).

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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If the bubble is over all the built infrastructure would become cheaper to train on? So those open models would incenerate less? Maybe there is an increase of specialist models? Like after dot-com the leftovers were cheap - for a time - and became valuable (again) later.

No, if the bubble ends the use of all that built infrastructure stops being subsidized by an industry-wide wampum system where money gets "invested" and "spent" by the same two parties.

I feel like that was happening for the fiber-backhaul in 1999. Just different players.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Can you name one thing a plow enables that wasn't previously possible? This line of thinking is ridiculous.

A plow enables you to till land you couldn't before with your bare hands. The phone let's you talk to someone you couldn't before when shouting can't. ChatGPT let's you... Please complete the sentence without an analogy

This conversation is naive and simplifies technologies into “does it achieve something you otherwise couldn’t”.

The answer is that chatgpt allows you to do things more efficiently than before. Efficiency doesn’t sound sexy but this is what adds up to higher prosperity.

Arguments like this can be used against internet. What does it allow you to do now that you couldn’t do before?

Answer might be “oh I don’t know, it allows me to search and index information, talk to friends”.

It doesn’t sound that sexy. You can still visit a library. You can still phone your friends. But the ease of doing so adds up and creates a whole ecosystem that brings so many things.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Sure, phones aren't directly doing the scamming, but they're supercharging the ability to do so. Phones are also a very popular mechanism for scamming businesses. It's tough to pull off CEO scams without text and calls. Therefore, phones are bad? This is of course before we talk about what criminals do with money, making money truly evil.

Without phones, we couldn’t talk to people across great distances (oversimplification but you get it). Without Generative AI, we couldn’t…?

Whats the big deal in talking to people across great distances? We can live without it.
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