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Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by solid_fuel »

irjustin wrote: post #63
only-one1701 wrote: post #54

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Perhaps you’ve heard that the purpose of a system is what it does?

In broad strokes - disagree. This is the knife-food vs knife-stab vs gun argument. Just because you can cook with a hammer doesn't make it its purpose.

> Just because you can cook with a hammer doesn't make it its purpose.

If you survey all the people who own a hammer and ask what they use it for, cooking is not going to make the list of top 10 activities.

If you look around at what LLMs are being used for, the largest spaces where they have been successfully deployed are astroturfing, scamming, and helping people break from reality by sycophantically echoing their users and encouraging psychosis.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by callc »

soulofmischief wrote: post #39
jacquesm wrote: post #7

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You forgot about 'open source contributors' and 'musicians'.

As an open source contributor and musician who is not rich, I am pretty stoked about the engineering, scientific and mathematical advancements being made in my lifetime. I have only become more creatively enabled when adopting these tools, and while I share the existential dread of becoming unemployable, I also am wearing machine-fabricated clothing and enjoying a host of other products of automation. I do not have s…

You can say the same thing as we invented the atomic bomb.

Cool science and engineering, no doubt.

Not paying any attention to societal effects is not cool.

Plus, presenting things as inevitabilities is just plain confidently trying to predict the future. Anyone can san “I understand one day this era will be history and X will have happened”. Nobody knows how the future will play out. Anyone who says they do is a liar. If they actually knew then go ahead and bet all your savings on it.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by solid_fuel »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #57
only-one1701 wrote: post #55

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Without phones, we couldn’t talk to people across great distances (oversimplification but you get it). Without Generative AI, we couldn’t…?

Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?

Can you name one thing generative AI enables that wasn't previously possible?

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by blks »

echelon wrote: post #53
solid_fuel wrote: post #37

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LLMs are fiction machines. All they can do is hallucinate, and sometimes the hallucinations are useful. That alone rules them out, categorically, from any critical control loop. After you eliminate anything that requires accountability and trustworthiness from the tasks which LLMs may be responsibly used for, the most obvious remaining use-cases are those built around lying: - advertising - astroturfing - other forms…

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So instead of actually making films, thing you as a filmmaker supposedly like to do, you have some chat bot to do it for you? Or what part of that is generated by chat bot?

Claims of productive boosts must always be inspected very carefully, as they are often perceived, and reality may be the opposite (eg spending more time wrestling the tools), or creating unmaintainable debt, or making someone else spend extra time to review the PR and make 50 comments.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by rcxdude »

only-one1701 wrote: post #54
seizethecheese wrote: post #44

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Not at all. I’m saying AI doesn’t exist to scam elderly , which is saying nothing about whether it’s dangerous in that respect.

Perhaps you’ve heard that the purpose of a system is what it does?

This phrase almost always seems to be invoked to attribute purpose (and more specifically, intent and blame) to something based on outcomes, where it should be more considered as a way to stop thinking in terms of those things in the first place.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by Larrikin »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #57
only-one1701 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without phones, we couldn’t talk to people across great distances (oversimplification but you get it). Without Generative AI, we couldn’t…?

Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?

It's actually a fair question. There are software projects I wouldn't have taken on without an LLM. Not because I couldn't make it. But because of the time needed to create it.

I could have taken the time to do the math to figure out what the rewards structure is for my Wawa points and compare it to my car's fuel tank to discover I should strictly buy sandwiches and never gas.

People have been making nude celebrity photos for decades now with just Photoshop.

Some activities have gotten a speed up. But so far it was all possible before just possibly not feasible.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by only-one1701 »

solid_fuel wrote: post #71
irjustin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In broad strokes - disagree. This is the knife-food vs knife-stab vs gun argument. Just because you can cook with a hammer doesn't make it its purpose.

> Just because you can cook with a hammer doesn't make it its purpose. If you survey all the people who own a hammer and ask what they use it for, cooking is not going to make the list of top 10 activities. If you look around at what LLMs are being used for, the largest spaces where they have been successfully deployed are astroturfing, scamming, and helping people break from reality by sycophantically echoing their…

I was going to reply to the post above but you said it perfectly.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by jamiek88 »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #57
only-one1701 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without phones, we couldn’t talk to people across great distances (oversimplification but you get it). Without Generative AI, we couldn’t…?

Are you really implying that generative AI doesn't enable things that were not previously possible?

Name some then! I initially scoffed too but I can only think of stuff LLM’s make easier not things that were impossible previously.

Re: Please don't say mean things about the AI I just invested a billion dollars in

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Post by echelon »

blks wrote: post #74
echelon wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So instead of actually making films, thing you as a filmmaker supposedly like to do, you have some chat bot to do it for you? Or what part of that is generated by chat bot? Claims of productive boosts must always be inspected very carefully, as they are often perceived, and reality may be the opposite (eg spending more time wrestling the tools), or creating unmaintainable debt, or making someone else spend extra time…

> So instead of actually making films, thing you as a filmmaker supposedly like to do, you have some chat bot to do it for you? Or what part of that is generated by chat bot?

There's no chatbot. You can use image-to-image, ControlNets, LoRAs, IPAdapters, inpainting, outpainting, workflows, and a lot of other techniques and tools to mold images as if they were clay.

I use a lot of 3D blocking with autoregressive editing models to essentially control for scene composition, pose, blocking, camera focal length, etc.

Here's a really old example of what that looks like (the models are a lot better at this now) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYVgNNJP6Vc

There are lots of incredibly talented folks using Blender, Unreal Engine, Comfy, Touch Designer, and other tools to interface with models and play them like an orchestra - direct them like a film auteur.

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