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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pjmlp »

fabrice_d wrote: post #257
FinnKuhn wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they could archive the same product using chromium with less cost. Should that change their investment in that area would probably increase as a consequence.

No, because using Chromium was the only way the could stay relevant in the browser space. They were just unable to build the same product with their own stack.

Unable is not the right reason, more like management wasn't willing to fund the team as it needed.

Just like management doesn't a F about the state of UWP, WinUI and anything related to it.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by TiredOfLife »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #258
TiredOfLife wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Archlinux refused the sponsorship

Source?

A month ago Arch came under ddos attack. DHH and others were offering to either pay for or get Cloudflare to sponsor antiddos protection for Arch.

Instead of accepting the offers or even saying why they won't various Arch services were down for almost a month.

Then Arch published https://archlinux.org/news/recent-services-outages/ essentially saying that they are seeking ideologically pure service

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ForHackernews wrote: post #5

> Omarchy 3.0 was released just last week with faster installation and increased Macbook compatibility, so if you’ve been Linux-curious for a while now, we encourage you to try it out! "If you're curious about trying Linux, why not install this obscure mouseless tiling TUI distro to guarantee you'll never attempt to use Linux again!"

Instead why not choose one of the 10000 Windows ui clones

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by zipy124 »

lavela wrote: post #11
ForHackernews wrote: post #2

Ladybird is great, but Omarchy is a weird choice. Why can't DHH / Basecamp sponsor David's hobby distro if he wants? The browser ecosystem is dangerously centralized and another independent rendering engine would be welcome. In contrast, I don't see the value in yet another flavor-of-the-week Linux distro. Even sponsoring Arch directly would make more sense here.

Openly aligning with DHH is certainly a choice. After all being created by DHH is the only feature they list on their website. Didn't care for the DHH controversies for a long time but if you start writing white national blog posts[1] I don't know what to say anymore. [1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

Damn that's worse than I thought it would be. Citing non white-british ethnic groups as non-native is worrying. Especially to try use it as an anti-immigrant statement, when plenty of those are going to be third generation at the least. In fact why isn't anyone who is born here classed as native by DHH. Troublesome.

Especially when the main reason for a lot of the problems with the country is rich white men, notably the Tories and their failed governance over the past 14 years.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sleepybrett »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #35

I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?

Not going to lie, the big Grok ad in that homepage video made me nope out pretty quick.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by nerpderp82 »

acdha wrote: post #226
nerpderp82 wrote: post #200

How about Cloudflare stops penalizing non-chrome browsers with elevated rates of bot checks and captchas?

They don’t penalize browsers for not being Chrome – Safari users almost never see those, because their devices support a protocol for attesting real hardware with a real user, in what is hopefully a privacy-preserving manner: https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-... That’s the underlying problem here: web sites are constantly getting suspicious traffic and if you do something like using Tor or…

So you are saying they don't penalize browser from not being Chrome and then link to a specific mechanism that they are allow listing Safari. That goes directly counter to what you are claiming.

I have seen it myself, from my own system. Firefox, almost impossible to use the web due to non-stop bot checks by CF. For the same session, same site(s), I give up and use Chrome, with all the same browser extensions, and I sail right in. Multiple times.

Suspicious traffic is using Firefox, because Chrome browsers are 90%+ of the traffic. And the rich mac users have a special mechanism for bypassing them as your article outlines.

Using Firefox is the internet equivalent of DWB.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sleepybrett »

wyclif wrote: post #131
boxed wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that just Ubuntu?

Way, way better than Ubuntu. And it adheres to *NIX philosophy by making all the config editable via text files.

having run ubuntu-server for awhile for my home server.. what config files do i need to edit without a text editor?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by kindacurious »

chucky_z wrote: post #176
overfeed wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they are, then the web is already fucked since neither corporation has a benevolent track record pertaining to Open Source. Interesting take, since Google has both authored and supported hundreds of FLOSS projects over many years. They even sponsored summer "internships" for students to contribute to Open Source software as long as a maintainer bothered to register and promise to mentor the student via "Summer o…

As someone who's lived in the bay for a bit over 10 years now, when I first moved here Google was very much that company that you think they were. Now, they are not. Every single friend (and it was >50% when I moved here!) has since left Google in the bay area. There is one left at Google entirely, and they're only remaining due to physical location (near family outside the US). I have watched my friends get brutally…

Hi, can you provide a few examples of 'tiniest bullshit reasons'? Kinda curious as what is considered bullshit there, I'm from the EU with zero experience of anything like S.F.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by brirec »

stronglikedan wrote: post #260
lukaslalinsky wrote: post #218

I really wish the open source projects that actually have meaningful impact on the whole industry were target of sponsorship, not the ones with good marketing, but I know how hard that is to achieve. Taking money from someone is unfortunately complicated in this society. In many cases it's easier not to even ask for sponsorship, unless you are willing to deal with the bureaucracy. Ladybird is at least fighting for di…

> Ladybird is at least fighting for diversity What does this even mean? And if it's an important part of a business model, how do you know that Omarchy isn't?

I think the parent comment means that Ladybird is fighting to be an additional browser engine in the current ecosystem of “Chromium and a couple of tiny, unimportant competitors.”

However, on the subject of the other meaning of “diversity,” and whether or not it is in the business models of either of these projects, I think we have pretty conclusive evidence that actually it is NOT a core value to either of them:

Citation for Ladybird: https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity...

Citation for DHH, the creator of Omarchy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30600746

As someone directly affected by this sort of thing, I really want nothing to do with either project.

I also can’t help but notice that this “tech-right smell” is about the only thing that these two projects seem to have in common with one another, making me question Cloudflare’s intentions with this.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by azemetre »

robinhood wrote: post #76
oefrha wrote: post #19

I’m skeptical. Cloudflare clearly wants to move us to a future where only approved browsers are allowed to access the web. People have been fiercely debating whether that’s a terrible thing, or whether that’s the least bad practical solution on offer for website owners. I don’t want to make a judgement on that, but I don’t think the observation that CF is pushing us in that direction is very controversial. But an ind…

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

It's pretty easy, these are private companies and not democratic institutions that build consensus within their communities. It is better to assume bad faith upon corporate actors because they don't typically advocate for things that help humanity, mostly only themselves.
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