And unfortunately not possible to play around for the general public.
Yeah, honestly - what's the point of announcing it then?
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY vibes here
Genie 3: A new frontier for world models
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances There will be two classes of media: - Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill - Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it. I tend to suspect that…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An... people said the world could literally end if we train anything bigger than chatgpt4... I would take these projections with a handful of salt
This is an incredible artifact.
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#263This is beautiful. An incredible device that could expand people's view of history and science. We could create such immersive experiences with this.
I know that everyone always worries about trapping people in a simulation of reality etc. etc. but this would have blown my mind as a child. Even Riven was unbelievable to me. I spent hours in Terragen.
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#264Yet another unavailable model from Google.. if I can't use it, I don't care. Tell me about it when it's ready to use.
You don't have to be the customer of every product (that affects you).
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?
I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…
I could see that theater and live music (especially performed on acoustic instruments) become hyper popular because it'll be the only talent worth paying to see when everything else is 'cheaply' made.
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest you go to google/bing/whatever floats your boat and search "it will only get better" then filter results earlier than 2010. Things that I just found that were going to "only get better": - Google search - Web browsers - Web content - Internet Explorer - Music - Flight process at Mosul airport - Star Wars
None of those have a quantifiable definition of 'better'. The current range of AI models have very easily measured metrics.
Very much disagree. Current AI benchmarks are quite arbitrary as evidenced by the ability of a model to be fitted to a particular benchmark. Like the closest benchmark to objectivity is “does it answer this question factually” and benchmarks like that are just as failable really because who decides what questions we ask? The same struggles happen when we try to measure human intelligence. The more complex the algorithm the harder it is to quantify because there are so many parameters. I could easily contrive some “search engine benchmark”, but it wouldn’t be that useful because it’s only adherent to my own subjective definition of what it means for a search engine to be good.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Future robots may learn in their dreams... So prescient. I definitely think this will be a thing in the near future ~12-18 months time horizon
what is a robot dream when there is clearly no consciousness? What's with this insane desire for anthropomorphism? What do you even MEAN learn in its dreams? Fine-tuning overnight? Just say that!
Yes, and an object in OOP isn't really a physical object. And a string isn't really a thin bit of rope.
No-one cares. It's just terminology.
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
The guy who tried was invite by Google to try it. He seems to me too enthusiastic, such that I feel Google asked him in particular because they trusted him to write very positively.
I doubt there was a condition on writing positively. Other people who tested have said this won't replace engines. https://togelius.blogspot.com/2025/08/genie-3-and-future-of-...
But can we use it to create movies one scene at a time?
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#269a lot to unpack here, i've added a detailed summary here:
https://extraakt.com/extraakts/google-s-genie-3-capabilities...
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but I don't want to hear some anonymous background music. A better example would be Spotify replacing artist-made music recommandations with low-quality alternatives, to reduce what it pays to artists. Everyone except Spotify loses in this scenario.
In the future, everyone will have their own ai agents capable of generating music to their own tastes. They won't be using spotify. The future with AI is not going to be our current world with some parts replaced by AI. It will be a whole new way of life.
My prediction is that personal generation is going to be niche forever, for purely social reasons. The demand for fandoms and fan communities seems to be essentially unlimited. Big artists have big fandoms, tiny ones have tiny fandoms, but none of that works with personalized generations.