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The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by asenchi »

david-gpu wrote: post #254
RankingMember wrote: post #250

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> Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Out of love, God gave us the option to do things against him and be eternally damned?

No, no. He didn't give us any option. God is all-powerful and all-knowing, so he made us knowing that we would break his rules and thus knowing that he would later punish us for eternity for breaking them. The notion of free will is in complete contradiction with an all-knowing all-powerful agent that sets things in motion. And the fact that God still punishes us even though we never had a choice is proof that it's n…

Except the God of the Bible picked all three. That is what makes it the greatest story ever told. :)

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by pfdietz »

HK-NC wrote: post #217
pfdietz wrote: post #76

If and when there are space colonies, this will naturally generalize to the pressure boundary, even if the thing is a rotating cylinder 100 km long.

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Does "being enclosed in a wire" work in three dimensions?

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by RankingMember »

asenchi wrote: post #260
RankingMember wrote: post #250

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> Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Out of love, God gave us the option to do things against him and be eternally damned?

Yes, out of love he gave us the agency and dignity to choose not to be in a love relationship with him. Faith in Jesus Christ and the arrival of the Kingdom of God to set things right provides us a means to enter into a relationship with him in a fallen, sinful world. To be adopted into his family and inherit new creation. This means he also dignifies those who choose not to love him to separate themselves from his p…

If God is truly good and omniscient, why would he intentionally create imperfect beings with the capacity for evil and then judge them for being imperfect? It's hard to see this story as one of some being of pure goodness instead of, rather, a character more akin to Jigsaw, trapping his creations in paradoxical or impossible situations for some unknown pleasure.

Maybe we just have drastically different ideas of what "love" is.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by anthk »

david-gpu wrote: post #254
RankingMember wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Out of love, God gave us the option to do things against him and be eternally damned?

No, no. He didn't give us any option. God is all-powerful and all-knowing, so he made us knowing that we would break his rules and thus knowing that he would later punish us for eternity for breaking them. The notion of free will is in complete contradiction with an all-knowing all-powerful agent that sets things in motion. And the fact that God still punishes us even though we never had a choice is proof that it's n…

This. It's like knowing the outcome of running sudo -rm -Rfv in a script and then blaming a privileged user who ran it.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by anthk »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #169
graemep wrote: post #160

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> Judaism isn't Christianity any more than Islam is All three share common beliefs and values. Christians and Jews worship the same God. Islam IS closely related to Judaism and Christianity and the Quran explicitly states Muslims worship the same God. > Trying to apply Christian norms to Jewish practices usually ends up in a pogrom when Christians realize that Judaism isn't Christianity. BS. Thinking about where we a…

> Islam IS closely related to Judaism and Christianity and the Quran explicitly states Muslims worship the same God. This is like saying that Windows and GNU/Linux are closely related because they both run on PCs, and were both (Windows originally) written in C (thus worship the same "foundations"). :-) > Christians use Jewish scriptures and prayers and symbolism. Quite some applications have become ported from Windo…

More like GNU/Linux and Android. Also Windows is C++, NT kernel.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by asenchi »

RankingMember wrote: post #263
asenchi wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, out of love he gave us the agency and dignity to choose not to be in a love relationship with him. Faith in Jesus Christ and the arrival of the Kingdom of God to set things right provides us a means to enter into a relationship with him in a fallen, sinful world. To be adopted into his family and inherit new creation. This means he also dignifies those who choose not to love him to separate themselves from his p…

If God is truly good and omniscient, why would he intentionally create imperfect beings with the capacity for evil and then judge them for being imperfect? It's hard to see this story as one of some being of pure goodness instead of, rather, a character more akin to Jigsaw, trapping his creations in paradoxical or impossible situations for some unknown pleasure. Maybe we just have drastically different ideas of what…

God, who is referred to as love, created beings in his image to tend to his creation, and to be in a love relationship with him. He himself created out of a loving relationship (read up on his triune nature). Rather than make them automatons that simply do his will he wanted them to love him of their own will the same he loves them. You can understand his first command as "do this because you love me and trust that I have your best interest in mind". When they instead chose themselves he could no longer be in their presence because of their sin, thus they were ejected from his presence, and thus cursed to pay the costs of that sin, until his plan to redeem them through his own justice and mercy could be fulfilled.

Any love relationship that is truly loving is not created by power or authority. It is by the willingness of both parties, unconditionally.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

graemep wrote: post #160
religiontrw wrote: post #153

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>I am Christian so do not think the same way about religious law Judaism isn't Christianity any more than Islam is. Trying to apply Christian norms to Jewish practices usually ends up in a pogrom when Christians realize that Judaism isn't Christianity. And just in case I hadn't said this enough: Judaism isn't Christianity. I have no idea why the right in America has run with the whole "Judaeo-Christian Western Cultur…

> Judaism isn't Christianity any more than Islam is All three share common beliefs and values. Christians and Jews worship the same God. Islam IS closely related to Judaism and Christianity and the Quran explicitly states Muslims worship the same God. > Trying to apply Christian norms to Jewish practices usually ends up in a pogrom when Christians realize that Judaism isn't Christianity. BS. Thinking about where we a…

how about judeo-islamic then? there's at least as much overlap there as with Judaism and Christianity

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

haiku2077 wrote: post #249
myself248 wrote: post #225

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With a fraction of a volt and a fraction of a milliamp on it, how many fires you gonna start? No EM if it's DC. C'mon.

Will the power company believe you that your system will only ever provide a tiny amount of power? Will you convince city government (in NYC, where some level of corruption is a fact of life) to allow your plan?

>Will the power company believe you that your system will only ever provide a tiny amount of power?

A small guage wire (ex:24 AWG) is limited to low voltage use. The issue is that voltage will drop over distance less than a city block.

ref: https://www.cctvcamerapros.com/AC-DC-voltage-drop-cable-dist...

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Post by cherryteastain »

mattlondon wrote: post #248
krisoft wrote: post #243

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If I were in a situation like that I would reach out for advice to some religious authority the person in question trusts. There are widely accepted fairly common sense exceptions for saving lives. [1] That could maybe apply to an automatically activating fire sprinkler. Only someone well versed in the scriptures could say for certain. (And only they would be believed anyway.) Even about the emergency lighting one ca…

I think I'd prefer that they just say "deal with it - this is real". How many different sets of beliefs do we need to accommodate? How many "mediations" do we need to do to use fire sprinklers ?! What if they are incompatible? Whose religion "wins" if one stays one thing but one says the other? The solution is obvious: religion and beliefs should not be a factor in these sort of things. We in the UK are a secular soc…

> We in the UK are a secular society with strong separations between state and religion

You might want to look up who's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England

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