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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I’m all for poorer countries getting a slice of the pie. Long term I’m not convinced it’s beneficial for the whole population of richer countries to continue, but rather only the elites of those countries. The amount income inequality has skyrocketed in recent decades sort of undermines the theoretical benefits economists love to tout. Nowadays manufacturing does not have to be uncompetitive. Advances in automation b…

It's especially beneficial for the poorest people in the developed nation. In the 1940 US, the poorest 20% spent almost their entire income on basic needs, such as food and basic clothing. Today, the poorest 20% can still afford smartphones and flat screen TVs, clothes and even vacations. Yes, globalization has massively increased market sizes, making the richest much richer. But it also made the poorest much richer.

> Today, the poorest 20% can still afford smartphones and flat screen TVs, clothes and even vacations.

Well 1940’s being a wartime era would be a bad time to compare to. It’d be best to compare to compare to just before globalization, probably 1960’s, 70’s, or even early 80’s.

Smartphones and flatscreen TVs aren’t necessities. Sure it’s great they’re cheap but they’d be cheap anyway. Only a fairly small fraction of manufacturing costs are due to labor based on leaked iPhone costs I’ve seen that were like 10’s of dollars.

At the same time housing costs have increased massively in the last 2 decades. Worker wages in most fields have not kept apace productivity gains. It’s worse in affluent areas where “free” money has skyrocketed housing prices. Perhaps it’s not related to globalization but it seems partly due to it.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Making more stuff in the countries with the cheapest costs also means that people in those countries are being lifted out of poverty. China's GDP per capita went from ~350USD in 1990 to 12.500USD in 2023 and similar growth happened for India, Bangladesh and lots of other poorer countries. Globalization brought affordable goods to wealthy nations and better living standards to poorer nations. In addition, closer trade…

> closer trade ties lower the likelihood of armed conflict This was 100% what Europe believed and the Merkel administration in Germany more than anyone. Not to bring politics into HN intentionally, but I think the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and threats of invading Poland, Finland, and Germany from Russian spokesmen or MPs kind of throws cold water on this theory. No matter how well meaning you are, you can't expect…

This reasoning completely ignores NATO essentially trampling over red lines established with Russia in the past, doing a soft coup in Ukraine in 2011 and reverting their stance on Ukraine joining NATO.

NATO is the reason Russia attacked, not because "Germany was soft". Over-reliance on an external parter for a strategic economic input (cheap gas) was also a huge mis-step (all while shutting down self-reliant nuclear plants), but doesn't really dispute the "closer trade lowers likelihood of conflict" argument.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Globalization and trickle down irrigation are... wait, that should have been economics... anyway, are the worst scams of the century. Sure, there were some benefits from globalization. But consumers lost sight on the notions of self-sufficiency and sovereignty, and played nicely into capitalism's 'extend, embrace, extinguish' philosophy. In my view, the net exports from the US to the rest of the world has been negative. Therefore, in due time, the rest of the western world, or wherever there prevails some notion of democracy, should strive to excise the US out in all shapes and forms--politically, culturally, technologically, and everythingally. The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago; the next best time is now.

And, no: the irony of my writing this on a US-based platform is not lost on me!

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

Would love to see a ditching of not just tech in favor of homegrown options. I admit that I was initially on the globalization bandwagon, but in hindsight it resulted in products being made in countries with the cheapest costs which led to a decrease in quality and the destruction of smaller, more local businesses. Go to a tourist area anywhere in the world and you'll be confronted by the same businesses--Starbucks,…

Despite the McDonald'ses, Amsterdam is not very boring or like, say, Prague.

I don't go to a touristy city for the shopping. Thanks to the Internet, I can already do that from anywhere, really. Sometimes I go to a touristy city for restaurants, but the presence of McDonald's doesn't take away from the dizzying array of typical food options in these places. Plus, globalization, to some degree, made it easy for a Dutch chef to come to my city to open a restaurant.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I know what you mean, but now you're talking about a very niche market. Finance, which uses Excel or spreadsheets since 90s. You can't replace these, I agree. But for other uses of Excel, I can say it can be easily exchanged. This is why I used 99.99% percent, but not more nines. The remaining "three nines" are the niches you're talking about. It's like how we say "Nah, it's a small set of matrices. just 2 , 3000x300…

I recently switched from Excel. I'm not a FOSS ideologue, but I found that Calc does more of the things I need with less of the distraction, more customisability, and less irritation with bugs and breaking updates. It's true I'm not a spreadsheet power user - but not many people are.

The trouble is that excel really does have a disproportionate share of all the tiny applications that keep the world running, so it's very very hard to move.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Makes sense to prepare for the Greenland war

A heads-up in case there's any confusion: Greenland is part of Denmark, whereas the Dutch Parliament is the parliament of the Netherlands. Both are part of the EU, of course (although Greenland isn't).

Sorry. Dutch, Netherlands, Holland. Very confusing.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

Suggesting LibreOffice 19 years after Google Docs is so weird to me. Are you expecting people to shuffle around single files to each other every time something is changed? Is that what we consider perfect?

It's about not putting your data in the hands of a US company.

Collaboration can be managed by offline servers that facilitate that. Not everything needs to be in a web page.

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> Oh, it’s possible in Germany Of course. How do I fire an employee? That's right, I don't. Otherwise sure it's possible.

> How do I fire an employee? That's right, I don't. It's easy to fire employees in Germany (especially in small shops), e.g. when they steal, are always late, are badmouthing colleagues, are talking about company internals, are insolent to customers, deliver bad work, and on and on. You simply have to follow a defined process (basically at least one written warning for the same thing before firing). What you can't do…

> What you can't do is having a Musk style temper tantrum and fire someone at will because you feel like that.

What about if you just don't feel they are a good fit anymore, even if you can't show why based purely on numbers.

Is any amount of advance notice sufficient to allow that?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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> How do I fire an employee? That's right, I don't. It's easy to fire employees in Germany (especially in small shops), e.g. when they steal, are always late, are badmouthing colleagues, are talking about company internals, are insolent to customers, deliver bad work, and on and on. You simply have to follow a defined process (basically at least one written warning for the same thing before firing). What you can't do…

> What you can't do is having a Musk style temper tantrum and fire someone at will because you feel like that. What about if you just don't feel they are a good fit anymore, even if you can't show why based purely on numbers. Is any amount of advance notice sufficient to allow that?

The problem with “even if you can’t show why” is that it often means wrong gender, race, religion, political affiliation, drinking club, etc. A better question would be whether you could articulate what change you’re looking for and show that this standard was clearly communicated and applied to the entire team.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I have seen multiple comments on Hacker News suggesting that CEOs should be guillotined.

While I don't doubt that at all, what does that have to do with the censorship of the mildest criticisms?

Hacker News does not censor criticism. Even when these comments get flagged and the accounts making them have a history of bad behavior, I’ve yet to see one of them get banned.

When people complain about this it’s because they think Hacker News is just orange Reddit and that removing off-topic political posts is part of some conspiracy to censor their inane opinions when they were never supposed to be posting them here to begin with.

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