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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by rendist »

harlanlewis wrote: post #53
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

The price really is eye watering. At a glance, my first impression is this is something like Llama 3.1 405B, where the primary value may be realized in generating high quality synthetic data for training rather than direct use. I keep a little google spreadsheet with some charts to help visualize the landscape at a glance in terms of capability/price/throughput, bringing in the various index scores as they become ava…

Amazing, thank you so much for sharing this.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by wewewedxfgdf »

GPT-2 was laugh out loud funny, rolling on the ground funny.

I miss that - newer LLMs seem to have lost their sense of humor.

On the other hand GPT-2's funny stories often veered into murdering everyone in the story and committing heinous crimes but that was part of the weird experience.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by sho_hn »

EA-3167 wrote: post #184
swatcoder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

Maybe if they build a few more data centers, they'll be able to construct their machine god. Just a few more dedicated power plants, a lake or two, a few hundred billion more and they'll crack this thing wide open. And maybe Tesla is going to deliver truly full self driving tech any day now. And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along, and Bitcoin will rain from the heavens. It's very difficult to r…

You have it all wrong. The end game is a scalable, reliable AI work force capable of finishing Star Citizen.

At least this is the benchmark for super-human general intelligence that I propose.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by wiremine »

zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens

> GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens

Their examples don't seem 30x better. :-)

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by logicallee »

nopelynopington wrote: post #14

Oh this makes sense. chatGPT results have taken a nose dive in quality lately. It couldn't write a simple rename function for me yesterday, still buggy after seven attempts. I'm more and more convinced that they dumb down the core product when they plan to release a new version to make the difference seem bigger.

>It couldn't write a simple rename function for me yesterday, still buggy after seven attempts.

I'm surprised and a bit nervous about that. We intend to bootstrap a large project with it!!

Both ChatGPT 4o (fast) and ChatGPT o1 (a bit slower, deeper thinking) should easily be able to do this without fail.

Where did it go wrong? Could you please link to your chat?

About my project: I run the sovereign State of Utopia (will be at stateofutopia.com and stofut.com for short) which is a country based on the idea of state-owned, autonomous AI's that do all the work and give out free money, goods, and services to all citizens/beneficiaries. We've built a chess app (i.e. a free source of entertainment) as a proof of concept though the founder had to be in the loop to fix some bugs:

https://taonexus.com/chess.html

and a version that shows obvious blunders, by showing which squares are under attack:

https://taonexus.com/blunderfreechess.html

One of the largest and most complicated applications anyone can run is a web browser. We don't have a web browser built, but we do have a buggy minimal version of it that can load and minimally display some web pages, and post successsfully:

https://taonexus.com/publicfiles/feb2025/84toy-toy-browser-w...

It's about 1700 lines of code and at this point runs into the limitations of all the major engines. But it does run, can load some web pages and can post successfully.

I'm shocked and surprised ChatGPT failed to get a rename function to work, in 7 attempts.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by spoaceman7777 »

sebastiennight wrote: post #49
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

I think it's fairer to compare it to the original GPT-4 which might the equivalent in term of "size" (though we don't have actual numbers for either). GPT-4: Input $30.00 / 1M tokens ; Output $60.00 / 1M tokens So 4.5 is 2.5x more expensive. I think they announced this as their last non-reasoning model, so it was maybe with the goal of stretching pre-training as far as they could, just to see what new capabilities wo…

There are some numbers on one of their Blackwell or Hopper info pages that notes the ability of their hardware in hosting an unnamed GPT model that is 1.8T params. My assumption was that it referred to GPT-4

Sounds to me like GPT 4.5 likely requires a full Blackwell HGX cabinet or something, thus OpenAI's reference to needing to scale out their compute more (Supermicro only opened up their Blackwell racks for General Availability last month, and they're the prime vendor for water-cooled Blackwell cabinets right now, and have the ability to throw up a GPU mega-cluster in a few weeks, like they did for xAI/Grok)

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by alyandon »

0x457 wrote: post #216
alyandon wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along Sounds like someone isn't happy with the 4.0 eternally incrementing "alpha" version release. :-D I keep checking in on SC every 6 months or so and still see the same old bugs. What a waste of potential. Fortunately, Elite Dangerous is enough of a space game to scratch my space game itch.

To be fAir, SC is trying to do things that no one else done in a context of a single game. I applaud their dedication, but I won't be buying JPGs of a ship for 2k.

Yeah, they never should have expected to take an FPS game engine like CryEngine and expected to be able to modify it to work as the basis for a large scale space MMO game.

Their backend is probably an async nightmare of replicated state that gets corrupted over time. Would explain why a lot of things seem to work more or less bug free after an update and then things fall to pieces and the same old bugs start showing up after a few weeks.

And to be clear, I've spent money on SC and I've played enough hours goofing off with friends to have got my money's worth out of it. I'm just really bummed out about the whole thing.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by nyc_data_geek1 »

crazygringo wrote: post #258
swatcoder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> We don't really know what this is good for Oh come on. Think how long of a gap there was between the first microcomputer and VisiCalc. Or between the start of the internet and social networking. First of all, it's going to take us 10 years to figure out how to use LLM's to their full productive potential. And second of all, it's going to take us collectively a long time to also figure out how much accuracy is neces…

The Internet had plenty of very productive use cases before social networking, even from its most nascent origins. Spending billions building something on the assumption that someone else will figure out what it's good for, is not good business.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by remus »

jampa wrote: post #167

First impression of GPT-4.5: 1. It is very very slow, for some applications where you want real time interactions is just not viable, the text attached below took 7s to generate with 4o, but 46s with GPT4.5 2. The style it writes is way better: it keeps the tone you ask and makes better improvements on the flow. One of my biggest complaints with 4o is that you want for your content to be more casual and accessible bu…

> It is very very slow

Could that be partially due to a big spike in demand at launch?

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