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The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Are you not generalising in the same way? Because you are introverted and successful, does that mean extroversion is bad advice for all?

He is providing a counter example, which is not the same as generalising.

I agree with you, but how do you know to use “he”?

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Are you not generalising in the same way? Because you are introverted and successful, does that mean extroversion is bad advice for all?

He is providing a counter example, which is not the same as generalising.

Apart from the line "does it help in some ways, sure" the overall message of their post is that the author is wrong and that you can be equally successful without being sociable, which is a general statement.

It's not really supported by the anecdata that OP is a skilled, unsociable, successful person. That only tells us that this person, in their particular line of work, with their particular set of skills, can be successful. It also doesn't consider whether a version of them that was more sociable would be more successful.

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Sure, they aren't quite the same thing, but they are related. And I used an extreme example. In general, among introverts, some have a high tolerance for social interactions, some have a very low tolerance and there are people everywhere in between. Or to use the terminology of introverts having to expend energy to interact with other people, you could say different people have different fuel efficiencies.

I’ll be nitpicking but I’m not sure they are really that related. I’m an introvert and my wife have SA. TBH it’s pretty different : if I go to an event where I know nobody or where I don’t feel like I have something to say, I’ll just go and keep politely quiet. I’ll get more bored and lost in my own thoughts or just listening without talking than stressed. My wife on the other hand is like you said, terrified and exh…

> I’m not sure they are really that related.

I would be very, very surprised if most people with social anxiety aren't also introverts.

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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“Hey man, what’s up? Why don’t you approach and talk to a few here? They are friendly, you know. You like Open Source, so maybe talk to that guy (pointing to a senior of mine) and ask him how he got started.”.

A very patronizing attempt at connecting people…

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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This feels like the author has made the assumption that since they are an introvert, all introverts are like them. However, I think that introversion, like most things is a continuum, not binary. Take the characterization of introverts in the article: "They would rather sit in front of the computer than go out during the yearly college social fest." For me it isn't just a matter of "I'd rather be in front of a comput…

I am an introvert and I can (and if necessary will) take over the microphone and address a room with 500 people in it. I might even enjoy that a little. What makes me an introvert isn't that I am shy (I am not), what makes me an introvert is that I find all interaction with other people except a select few exhausting and draining. Don't get me wrong: That doesn't mean I am weird or bad at talking with people — in fac…

The presumption that introversion equals shyness still pervades even with what seems to be a cultural awareness amongst people on where they stand on that trait.

I'm very much like you in that many people mistake me for an extrovert because of the opportune occasions where I display "extroverted" traits in social settings. However it's more of a decision (mostly based on energy) than a default mode I fall back on.

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Most negative self labels have this property, not just introversion.

I know people that say "they are always late haha", people that say "they aren't good at math", people that say "they don't like art" and many others, and they just serve to hold you back. In almost every time I hear this, I just hear "I decided I don't want to be or do this".

And even if you were truly bad at something that is expected by society, thinking of yourself as bad at it won't really help much. It's much more useful to just recognize your skill level for what it is and just understand that everything improves the more you try to do it better.

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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This feels like the author has made the assumption that since they are an introvert, all introverts are like them. However, I think that introversion, like most things is a continuum, not binary. Take the characterization of introverts in the article: "They would rather sit in front of the computer than go out during the yearly college social fest." For me it isn't just a matter of "I'd rather be in front of a comput…

This is mental illness not introversion. You don’t get anxious about other things you don’t like. You might not enjoy playing board games or Russian literature. Does it stress you out and make you anxious? Probably not. You just don’t care.

And how do you know that the Aditya from the story didn't have a mental illness?

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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This feels like the author has made the assumption that since they are an introvert, all introverts are like them. However, I think that introversion, like most things is a continuum, not binary. Take the characterization of introverts in the article: "They would rather sit in front of the computer than go out during the yearly college social fest." For me it isn't just a matter of "I'd rather be in front of a comput…

I've heard one way a parent can help a shy child is to have them look after much younger children. Even very shy children seem to be able to manage talking to less-experienced, less-intimidating, pipsqueaks. Wonder if there's a way to take that tack.

shyness != introversion

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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Socializing is always draining. It's a physical fact that it simply takes a huge amount of energy to engage with other people, no matter what you think your personality type is. Dealing with socialization is a big part of why we have these huge energy-intensive brains. I think the discussion here suggests it's an issue of perspective. Is socialization a fact of life, or is it something you are allowed to opt out of?…

Having known plenty of extroverts, I don't see how this is true. The discussion here is wrong and at odds with the science I've seen and my anecdotal experience. You can't just decide we're all the same and that some of us just have an attitude problem. That's asinine and irritating.

He is right, its a physical fact that talking and doing something takes more energy (not the emotional, but the Joules thing) than sitting around alone.

Re: The trap of "I am not an extrovert"

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One thing to me is fairly obvious: people who are introverts can be social, but only for limited amounts of time. For example, I like talking a lot, but I can only do it for limited amounts of time. Maybe only a few hours a week. If I'm pushed past that point, I just don't want to chat any more. It's like I'm full of food, but with socialization. After that I find socialization immensely distasteful and irritating. T…

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