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I think the take-away from this is that EV market in the US is a long-ways away from economy cars when the #3 selling car is $100k. You can't even find middling used EVs for sub $20k. They're all just Chevy Bolts people were desperate to unload.
I thought the Bolt had a good reputation. What's wrong with them?
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Elon Musk made it too easy to dunk on him with the CyberTruck, similar to the last Tesla event, it was kinda hilarious how bad that was, even if you agree with his political ideas, I don't know how you would have a different opinion about it.
How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate
They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.
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Even car people who agree with the CEO's politics dunk on it - see WhistlinDiesel
That's not a car person.
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Elon Musk made it too easy to dunk on him with the CyberTruck, similar to the last Tesla event, it was kinda hilarious how bad that was, even if you agree with his political ideas, I don't know how you would have a different opinion about it.
How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate
Also, the robots that are controlled remotely by humans without disclosuring it is hilarious.
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It's basically the same size as an F-150. It has a crumple zone although it probabl only activates for hard car collisions. I've seen no evidence that it is significantly worse for pedestrian safety than an F-150. Which is not good at all, but it is still a bit pretentious to paint it as a horribly dangerous car when there is no evidence that it is worse than one of the most common cars in the US.
> I've seen no evidence that it is significantly worse for pedestrian safety than an F-150 Serious question: have you looked? Or is there any special reason you imagine that if such evidence existed, you would have seen it? I say this because I spent 10-15 minutes looking for information and gave up because I’m not sure of any tests which I could use to compare the two, or any testing bodies that focus on pedestrian…
I predict if after some years a statistical analysis is done on pedestrian crashes by car model the Cybertruck will just be some kind of average. It has decent AEB and it is a new car driven by young people. Would other cars have caused less injury in the crashes that do occur? Probably. To a degree that it justifies calling it a pedestrian killer? I doubt it.
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The biggest failing of the i3, in my opinion, is that it looked stupid. It was cheap and "dorky" looking for no obvious reason. There was nothing that stopped BMW from making it look like any of their other models but they chose to make it weird and different in a way that surely hurt its sales. A real shame, honestly.
The Bolt looked nearly as dorky and they sold plenty of those. Even with the battery recall. I doubt GM made much if any profit though. LG chemicals sure didn't. The Ioniq 5 looks way better than both and of course it is doing numbers as a result. i3 was just expensive, low range, and overall not a competitive EV in the NA market.
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> I've seen no evidence that it is significantly worse for pedestrian safety than an F-150 Serious question: have you looked? Or is there any special reason you imagine that if such evidence existed, you would have seen it? I say this because I spent 10-15 minutes looking for information and gave up because I’m not sure of any tests which I could use to compare the two, or any testing bodies that focus on pedestrian…
I originally thought that the nhtsa would perform some tests of this kind but I was disappointed to find out that this doesn't seem to be the case. Most focus on pedestrian safety seems to be on automatic emergency braking and other ADAS systems. In this regard I claim that by default one should expect the Cybertruck to be at least decent. Not the best but surely not terrible. While the shape of the hood and the visi…
Up until you’re sticking Mad Max type spikes on the front, I am not sure that I’d be able to say with confidence anything other than “I think probably trucks with high bonnets are worse for pedestrians than sedans with low bonnets”.
But as you say, there’s also a bunch of interesting side concerns: what if the vehicle itself twice as bad (i.e. causes twice as many deaths at the same speed in collisions with pedestrians), but where other vehicles are getting into one collision with a pedestrian every 100 000 miles or whatever, Cybertrucks only get into collisions every 200 000 miles due to advanced AEB (or use of self-driving, etc.)? Are they even?
I dunno. Just an interesting thought to chew over.
There was a Cybertruck at the Paris Games Week (there was a Tesla corner in the con for some reason). That was my first time seeing one in person. The most striking thing was how tall it was. Half the kids attending the PGW were smaller than its front bumper. I hope these things never, ever get allowed in France.
It's basically the same size as an F-150. It has a crumple zone although it probabl only activates for hard car collisions. I've seen no evidence that it is significantly worse for pedestrian safety than an F-150. Which is not good at all, but it is still a bit pretentious to paint it as a horribly dangerous car when there is no evidence that it is worse than one of the most common cars in the US.
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What's your definition of a car person? I don't care for the guy, but having multiple modified super cars and building several custom trucks in the past -- he seems like a car [truck] person to me?
Someone like James May.