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After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Apple works unless you need something specific that every other devices supports but apple doesn't. I've never had a great experience with any laptop but at least I can't say I didn't get screwed on the price most of the time (non apple times). Who remembers how apple didn't admit or fix the Nvidia GPU on their laptop for years but it was easy to just get a new ipod?

That nVidia GPU issue was a design flaw on nVidia's part that nVidia refused to take responsibility for. The problem is that normal use and wear and tear over time would lead to the GPU physically failing, leading to a non-bootable system and necessitating a whole new logic board. Apple had a long standing special service program of covering (very expensive) logic board replacements for all of those MacBook Pros that…

Apple was supposed to vet them. I expect that answer from razer.

Only took a few years for them to admit it failed under normal use, by that time it was long outdated. I don't pretend waiting at the apple store is a luxury anymore. The brand is tainted to me.

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post #195

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Apple works unless you need something specific that every other devices supports but apple doesn't. I've never had a great experience with any laptop but at least I can't say I didn't get screwed on the price most of the time (non apple times). Who remembers how apple didn't admit or fix the Nvidia GPU on their laptop for years but it was easy to just get a new ipod?

I’m not going to universally defend Apple (because no one can) but when you have to go back 10 years to come up with an example that as other commenters have noted was a supplier issue it’s not as strong an argument as you may think.

It was my last relationship with a new Mac, and it will remain that way. Why you want to attack my experience I'm uncertain.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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If you own a FireTV stick or display you'll notice that the FreeVee streaming app has started to become more and more prominent. It's deceptively simple - they are taking old shows like Murder She Wrote and streaming them non-stop on a "channel" much like the old terrestrial broadcast networks did. They're solving the streaming problem for older customers that don't grok Netflix or Hulu. These shows take pseudo-comme…

Linear streaming is central to PlutoTV, which has been around for a while and is available on many platforms. It’s not really for people “that don’t grok Netflix or Hulu”. That’s one reason, I suppose, but the stronger reasons are: 1. Licensing and cost nonsense that none of us care about. 2. Channel surfing is an entirely different way to engage with low-attention content and has its own place. You may not “grok it”…

The casual discovery was the thing people missed the most about cable TV. This comes close, as in they're linear channels of the same program in most cases, but it's familiar enough to work.

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The trick is to never give your TV access to the internet and to pair it with an Apple TV. If you buy a TV and it won't even boot or work without an internet connection - return it and get a different one.

Can we hack the TVs? These things have computers inside. Surely we can run software in these things.

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Roku has done the same thing with their appliance. If anyone from Roku is listening, I would pay a significant premium to never again see an ad.

And advertisers will pay more than whatever that premium is to target you who have the disposable income to pay for ad-free experiences.

And if there is no way to pay for a truly ad-free experience, then I'll just make an ad-free experience myself by not paying anything and pirating everything.

Piracy is nearly always a service problem. I'm happy to pay for content, but will not pay for content twice and I will not watch ads. If those options are not available, then I'll just take what I want and the service provder will get zero dollars and zero ad viewership rather than some dollars and zero ad viewership.

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Car insurance ads when you know they are paying those millions of dollars out of the premiums that you pay , just so they can tell you how cheap their premiums are. That's what ticks me off!

Insurance involves having a large pool of good drivers to subsidize the bad drivers. So the money they spend to make the pool larger could make things better from you; more good drivers, they pay out less claims, they charge you less. It's one business where the "network effect" really matters, and so it's not a guaranteed waste of money like advertising other products is. (For example, it really doesn't matter wheth…

I assume there's some regulation against only insuring drivers with perfect records? Otherwise I think I would have heard of it by now. I see the logic you're using, but considering that almost nobody would have insurance if their lender/state didn't force them to, the same number of people would have insurance regardless of whether they advertised. It's a zero-sum game, no? Separately, the same ads that might attract good drivers to my pool could also attract bad, and sadly I suspect that the people who are persuaded by ads are slightly less intelligent and more risky behind the wheel.

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The trick is to never give your TV access to the internet and to pair it with an Apple TV. If you buy a TV and it won't even boot or work without an internet connection - return it and get a different one.

I have a regular old computer connected to my TV, I find it much more robust and under my control than any purpose built device. Steam to stream games from my PC, browser or VLC for everything else. Haven't seen a recent apple TV in action though so maybe they're more capable than I think they are.

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> The changes [showing more ads for money] mirror similar moves from others in the TV maker industry. Tbh this is every industry at this point and its driving me nuts.

Some product categories are nearly monopolies too: - Garage Door Openers. Chamberlain (also Liftmaster). They have like 80% of the market. Its them or Genie. Almost everyone else got out of the market. Decent products with OK prices. Competition would bring prices down some but not by a huge amount. However they are desperate to generate MRR and so despite originally having openers with WiFi and local APIs they've lo…

> The only way to get one not jammed with ads and tracking garbage is via "commercial signage" which is what I ended up doing.

I've had great luck with Sceptre's offerings.

https://www.sceptre.com/

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Sony sells TVs that cost just a bit more than the competition but you can easily not opt-in to ads during initial setup (they are not selected by default!). Sadly Google seems to insist on showing YT recommendations to matter what on Google tvs, but you can just opt into "app only mode" and then you get none of that.

I would put Sony in my second category above. High quality TVs, and a price to match. The fact they use Google gives me pause. My last TV was a Sony with Google and it was slow as dirt (Sony’s fault, since fixed on newer models). And it was a great TV otherwise. But I don’t trust Google not to find a way to shove ads in later.

Sony's tvs are broken into price tiers, they have low end ones with garbage picture quality, medium tier tvs with better picture and a better CPU, and high end ones with excellent image quality.

Sadly neither Sony tv I have had (including one I just bought) are able to stay connected to my wifi for more than an hour or so before losing connection....

Sony is not known for the quality of their software...

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