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After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Chromecast has ads now? I just bought one because it was cheaper to buy a new chromecast 4k plus ethernet adapter, than replace my apple tv remote

I never see ads on chromecast unless I'm using an application that has ads, e.g. youtube without premium

This is with the newer chromecasts with Google TV.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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If you own a FireTV stick or display you'll notice that the FreeVee streaming app has started to become more and more prominent. It's deceptively simple - they are taking old shows like Murder She Wrote and streaming them non-stop on a "channel" much like the old terrestrial broadcast networks did. They're solving the streaming problem for older customers that don't grok Netflix or Hulu. These shows take pseudo-comme…

I recently bought a "smart TV" and I was pleased to see that it comes with essentially 'cable TV' (IPTV, I guess?) without even needing to run an app or set up an account. You just click CH+/- or guide and you watch another channel. One of the channels plays 21 Jump Street (the 80's show) and a few other 80's classics, another 2 just play 80's/90's music videos exclusively. I think it's kind of neat that the internet…

>I think it's kind of neat that the internet has finally come around to make cable TV obsolete.

That's because internet is cable TV these days.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you). The expected utility to you is negative.

You're missing an important nuance. The best advertisement is for a product that, in expectation , makes the most money from me. My relative interest is still important, and you can't just jump from the fact that somebody is making money to the unfounded claim that the "expected utility is negative." When I buy an item I'm making a decision that the marginal value of that item to me is worth more than the marginal co…

As a customer, you will try of course to get the best deal. The best deal for you is the worst for them, so the target of advertising is convincing you that you are getting the best deal while actually giving you the worst possible.

Targeted advertising is not giving you better deals, but providing you with a greater mismatch between your expectation and the reality. You may get a better deal out of it, but that is an unintended side effect

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Eh, it could be worse. For a while Hulu thought I was Hispanic and living in Texas. Got a lot of ads for the Texas Lottery with Spanish audio.

Ads are ads as far as I'm concerned. They're all universally trash.

Ads, generically, are one thing. Car insurance when I'm not looking for car insurance. The problem with targeted advertising is when they're for something I didn't know I wanted. A band I like is coming to town, or a product that solves a problem I've been having. because then I'm spending money I wasn't previously going to spend.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Meh, I own an LG CX and I have never seen a single ad on it - the app integration is so good I can't imagine needing to mess with another device just to use streaming services. Just don't buy ad-ridden crap from Samsung and others, I guess?

TBF that’s a higher end TV. I love mine. The lower the cost, the more likely this crud is. If you buy a $250 55” TV you’re (unknowingly) signing up for ads. Sadly, there isn’t much middle ground anymore. Ads and spying, or a ton of money (and spying).

Sony sells TVs that cost just a bit more than the competition but you can easily not opt-in to ads during initial setup (they are not selected by default!).

Sadly Google seems to insist on showing YT recommendations to matter what on Google tvs, but you can just opt into "app only mode" and then you get none of that.

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AppleTv is amazing, and I use it for everything but YouTube. For YouTube, I use a Fire stick with SmartTubeNext

I have YT Premium so I use/enjoy the native app.

Smarttube has sponsorblock built in. Even though I have YT Premium, it’s a much better experience than stock app for this feature alone.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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You're missing an important nuance. The best advertisement is for a product that, in expectation , makes the most money from me. My relative interest is still important, and you can't just jump from the fact that somebody is making money to the unfounded claim that the "expected utility is negative." When I buy an item I'm making a decision that the marginal value of that item to me is worth more than the marginal co…

As a customer, you will try of course to get the best deal. The best deal for you is the worst for them, so the target of advertising is convincing you that you are getting the best deal while actually giving you the worst possible. Targeted advertising is not giving you better deals, but providing you with a greater mismatch between your expectation and the reality. You may get a better deal out of it, but that is a…

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Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Ads are ads as far as I'm concerned. They're all universally trash.

Ads, generically, are one thing. Car insurance when I'm not looking for car insurance. The problem with targeted advertising is when they're for something I didn't know I wanted. A band I like is coming to town, or a product that solves a problem I've been having. because then I'm spending money I wasn't previously going to spend.

Car insurance ads when you know they are paying those millions of dollars out of the premiums that you pay, just so they can tell you how cheap their premiums are. That's what ticks me off!

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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And on other devices, Prime Video is getting incrementally worse, in recent months and weeks.

I tried Prime Video with-ads, and it was not only unpleasant sucking of my attention and interruption of the show, but creepy with the targeting/mis-targeting. When the whole purpose is to relax and wind down for the day.

Once I've run out of ads-free good content on Prime Video, I'm going to have to go through my GnuCash, to see whether the 5% rewards I get with my Amazon credit card is worth the Prime membership fee, compared to my normal 2% cash rewards Fidelity card.

Hopefully, Netflix, Max, etc., will have ads-free accounts at reasonable prices.

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