Umm, maybe the NYT is uninformed, but psychedelic mushrooms have been in "the market" in Oregon for ever.
Typical capitalist rag take on the situation: it doesn't exist until a rich guy makes money on it...
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#262You take a heroic dose of mushrooms, apply eye covering, and lie down in a comfortable place. You listen to music, such as the John Hopkins Playlist. Then, you journey inward. You experience ego death. You confront fears. You feel a sense of connection and oneness with the world. When you recover, you are in a very malleable state and need to talk about your experience, your thoughts and feelings. This is a crucial step in using mushrooms for cognitive change. You can't just solve problems while high. You need to process the experience with someone qualified to help you work through what came to the surface.
You're supposed to have initial therapy sessions leading up to the journey, sessions after, and two journies two weeks apart.
Psychedelics can change your mind but do them with help in the right setting.
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Care to share more? How much did it cost and was it a sherpa like experience?
Sherpa?
I think they mean "was there someone guiding your trip, or did you do it alone". I have never tried psychedelics, but I've heard its helpful to have people with you, because you can have a "bad trip" where your mind goes into awful places, and having a familiar face nearby can help get you out of that state or ameliorate your symptoms.
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We do have some understanding of the safety profile of psilocybin, even if its Schedule I status makes it hard to research. At the very least, it doesn’t have physical dependency like opioids. However, the lack of significant safety research does make it hard to determine the incidence of development of disorders like HPPD but, unlike opioids, I can’t imagine someone wanting to continue taking psilocybin after develo…
They said the same thing about weed - that you don’t have any physical dependency. A quick search on Reddit would show you countless people who say they’re physically unable to function without weed anymore. Withdrawal symptoms include insomnia, depression, brain fog, lack of appetite, lack of energy, shaking, etc. This is especially true of people who started using it when they were young and people who use high THC…
I think if you've known anyone who was an alcoholic, a tobacco smoker, or even someone who had to taper off prescription benzos or SSRIs you'd know that cannabis withdrawal symptoms are relatively benign. Caffeine withdrawal is significantly worse.
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#265I'm not a very spiritual person, but mushrooms are as close to "talking to God" as I've been able to muster in my lifetime.
I've heard this from people I know and trust. Idk why you got downvoted.
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Rather, the lack of the word "kinda" is an essential part of the doctrine. And everyone is affected: even if they may not be saved, they are all still resurrected in the end days. This is uncontroversial, and documented throughout the bible. Here is a summary: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/will-all-people-be-resu...
Actually, it's super controversial, even among Christians. If it is documented through the Bible, that's not evinced by your link (to a conservative Evangelical website), which only cites Acts and John, two very closely related parts of the Bible. And neither of those says anything about the resurrection of those who are not saved happening because of Jesus's sacrifice.
Hebrews also states that "we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all".
And not sure why you say "conservative Evangelical" as if it means less. They are the most biblically-based sect around.
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All of it? Specifically, the 'kind-of' - most Christians beleive Jesus was fully human/mortal. 'with no loss'- most Christians beleive Jesus gave the ultimate sacrifice, not only his mortal life, bit also profound and incomphrensible suffering (don't forget the events in Gethsemane, not just at the hands of the Sanhedrin and the Romans). Also his sacrifice went far beyond forgiving sins of beleivers. It included the…
I said "kinda" because I didn't want to get into the whole trinity stuff, since it's besides the point to me. But I agree that many Christians, and Muslims, and Jews (and other monotheists) are great people, my last paragraph was a bit harsh. I know many of those people would be happy for everyone to go to heaven, or paradise, or at least find peace in death, whatever it may be, they pray for them, and not just to ge…
The way you speak of wrath gives me the impression you have only heard of the "eternal conscious torment" interpretation of Hell. You should know that this isn't found in the preachings of Jesus, or the Bible in general. There are several other Biblically-founded interpretations of Hell, including things like "torment in proportion to sins", "torment until repentance", and what might be considered "eternal emptiness", basically the same as what an atheist would say happens on death. I learned this via these lectures: https://www.thenarrowpath.com/topical_lectures.php#Three_Vie..., but you can google "three views of hell" to get a variety of takes on the topic.
Under these interpretations, there is no "wrath" inflicted upon the lost, they simply do not gain the reward of having faith and instead enter into the "default" death state.
> "Jesus can save you (if you let him)" did kinda trigger me, since the Bible says, nobody can come to God lest they get pulled. So don't blame people for not getting pulled, that's victim blaming.
Your view is sounds consistent with a lack of belief in Free Will, is that what you believe? The Calvinist branch of Christianity supports this view, but it is not the only interpretation. If you don't believe in Free Will might as well just stop reading here because nothing is in your control anyways :)
If on the other hand you do believe in Free Will, it must be the case that you have a choice in coming to Christ. It is true that nobody can come unless they are pulled, but they can also resist that pull. The Bible speaks many times of God saying mortals resisted His call. Most famously perhaps Sodom and Gamora.
And the pull can come in many forms, most commonly in being preached the Gospel. It is very hard at this point to exist in the world without someone at some point having attempted to preach the Gospel to you, and the Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ gave up his life so that all may be saved. Indeed, the most famous sentence in perhaps all of time supports this: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (emphasis mine).
So under a non-Calvinist interpretation everybody has the opportunity to come to salvation, assuming they have heard of Christ (the pull), and it is up to them to choose to do so, by choosing to believe in Him.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I think in my part my negative reaction is, like many people, having observed the effects of SSRIs on young people. It's well known that risks like suicidal ideation are actually higher among those under 25, and in general it is awful to see the mental health crisis among young people dealt with primarily via instantly reaching toward semi-permanent medication, rather than consider…
The most reasonable conculsion (though tentative) seems to be that SSRI and the more "traditional" option may help some, while psychedelics may help others. (And we have to imagine other drugs in the future will be found.) The trick will to figure out which person will respond to which. But I think all can agree having more options is better.
Yes. My root comment is not giving medical advice, but stating the unspoken truth in the original article that people are reaching for psychedelic therapy because existing standard medications do not work for everyone. Real medical advice should be tailored to an individual's history and needs, which is what any good physician or psychiatrist would actually do.
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For what it’s worth you can find psilocybin in the US with with right network that does not require exorbitant costs or travel.
Any potential for incarceration or institutionalization is an exorbitant cost to factor into transacting with the "wrong" network.
Most people growing shrooms are not doing it at scale and are generally only selling to friends or acquaintances. For this particular drug- the risk seems pretty low.
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It isn't fair to begin with. A athletic person gets health care, a fat person gets health care. In worst case we just triage. But this would definitely be something the society would be allowed to regulate: The society can say 'you can take any drug you want but if you take x you become second in line' That would be transparent and fair but we don't even have this type of discussion. And while I get Ritalin from my d…
> A athletic person gets health care, a fat person gets health care. And the fat person may well have a lower lifetime total healthcare cost.
I was actually not trying to evaluate this.
When I meant athletic person I actually thought about injuries.