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I use code.you.com for my code searches and use the AI by You very frequently- more than ChatGPT. I use Google for quick searches as it still seems to be the best. I mean queries like "Tajikistan capital". I use ChatGPT often when I am doing something not directly related to my field of work- like a quick web page after 3 months I did it last time. I rarely use DuckDuckGo. I use Kagi, too, sometimes when Google fails…
Ad is bad not because Ad is bad. It's because of "companies who tried to use ad to spam" is bad. Not all, but most. Mostly to the point of scam tricks. For a company to deliver their ad, needs some kind of verification though.
I really get tired of companies blaming these mythical users for not using their product rather than asking themselves why users didn't use the product to begin with.
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I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries. I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with…
what if they had a free plan that allowed 100 searches each month. or extend the trial each month if requested. maybe it'd take many users more than a month to get into it and see the value in investing in a paid plan.
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Hey guys keep it up! I am one of your early supporter customers, and I haven’t used Google ever since I switched to Kagi sometime in 2022 The pay for use model for search is refreshing. I hope the economics work out
I don't know what the early pricing is, but the current pricing is a bit absurd. I can't even consider it as a viable option.
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Interesting that this is their approach I think in time we will find not specialized llms but instead a single big one like chatgpt exposed is the winner because it allows for a faster and easier way to access information without knowing the domain ahead of time. When google came out in the late 90s we had to learn the right way to search and that became a skill… the advantage of natural language as the interface is…
Google's research on this says the opposite. Specialized LLM are better than general LLM in the area they are specialized in. Which makes sense a primary care doctor is a good doctor but a specialist is going to be better in their specialized field.
Too bad they chose the wrong differentiation, when Neeva launched I wrote: "if I were Neeva, I'd attempt to make search a better experience, by providing better results and context than Google does. I'd classify users according to their search history/sophistication and prefer results that other users in their class have found helpful, while at the same time making clear that the results are tailored based on their s…
There is an all out war for search supremacy right now between two trillion dollar companies, with one having everything to win and the other everything to lose. In those circumstances a standard VC model of buying growth does not work even if you have a huge war chest, as you will be outspent no matter how big your investors are. As a founder of a startup in the same space (Kagi) we feel these challenges. We face di…
I’m a very happy Kagi user, the search results are way better (subjective, I know) for me, that is, I can usually find what I’m looking for in the first few entries. I’m under the early adopter pricing but I fear that the higher price (and cognitive effort in lower prices to keep track of how many searches I’ve made) might make adoption a bit harder. I really really really don’t want Kagi to go away! I’ve shared with…
I pay for Kagi, I had a few minutes of minor outrage when I saw the pricing changes, which in retrospect was childish (for me, others motivations may differ). Iirc, the pricing actually won't change for me given the number of queries I do, and regardless I'll probably just get the highest tier anyway and be done with it. There are always ad supported options for people who want to save money. Personally I prefer to pay what it costs (meaning pay so that kagi can run a viable business) because I know how advertising perverts a business. I hope they can succeed by appealing to people who think this way.
Much respect to Neeva for being in the arena. Couple thoughts: * Outside of the HN crowd, I don't think the average consumer thinks of privacy as a differentiator. * I don't know if competing on general search is the way in. I think you need a wedge, and these new companies competing on a certain vertical (like search tools for developers). I see promise here, with specialized LLMs in the backend. * The biggest searc…
It's like trying to sell a service based on it being decentralised or a social media service on free speech. It's a nice to have thing, but the majority of the population don't really consider it a selling point on its own.
I think Kagi may have a better selling point because of this, since the differentiators are more 'you can choose exactly which sites you don't want to see/do want to see', not just 'we don't track you'.
But I'm not sure even that's enough. Probably needs to be a mix of both really good marketing and search results that are leagues ahead of Google's (something that's admittedly not as unlikely now as it used to be).
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Note also that, at least at the start of that 3 year period, they simply bought in results from Bing rather than build their own index[1]. That sounds to me like they failed hard, both from a technical point of view and marketing-wise. (This is the first time I've heard of them.) Simply burning through lots of money is not an interesting factor. Edit: I tried it out: https://i.imgur.com/0YBorgG.png
Never heard of Neeva either. Sometimes i wonder how much "business" is about getting gov. subsidies, grants or scamming the masses, then distributing wealth to friends and family horizontally to elite peers. Amounts that seem absurd to billions of working class people disappear on the daily apparently with zero value ever created - i've seen this happen enough times IRL to realise that most business is part performan…