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Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Whistleblowers act against power structures and that's the ultimate transgression as far as the power structure is concerned. Transgressions in favor of the state are one thing, you'll get a slap on the wrist at most, even personal benefit and promotion in some cases, but transgressions against the state are what will provoke a real response. See, for example, the incredible vigor pursued against the people who relea…

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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I know a lot of people who take a seriously negative view against whistleblowers, which I find very strange. Do you not want to know the messed up shit that the companies and government are doing? I think people just see it as being a traitor.

isn't that the premise of this blog post

I didn't read it

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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> these sort of issues where people overwhelmingly feel one way, and the political establishment feels another? Yeah, those are all strangely absent. I feel that Sanders' nomination campaigns epitomized this divide: He spoke for the people. Many more people donated for him than any other candidate, his supporters were diverse and enthusiastic. He was the number one most popular politician in the entire country. Yet m…

We need to shift the dynamic in America from relying on these media conglomerates, to individuals doing their own research on things. Everyone knows the news media is rigged beyond saving, we need to let them die out, it's what they all deserve for betraying the trust of the people.

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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> these sort of issues where people overwhelmingly feel one way, and the political establishment feels another? Yeah, those are all strangely absent. I feel that Sanders' nomination campaigns epitomized this divide: He spoke for the people. Many more people donated for him than any other candidate, his supporters were diverse and enthusiastic. He was the number one most popular politician in the entire country. Yet m…

We need to shift the dynamic in America from relying on these media conglomerates, to individuals doing their own research on things. Everyone knows the news media is rigged beyond saving, we need to let them die out, it's what they all deserve for betraying the trust of the people.

You seem to want more democracy, but would you say that if Trumpers win again, become even stronger, and subvert democracy some more?

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Yeah, and it's why I think it's fundamentally impossible to prevent retaliation against whistleblowers. Organizations act in favor of self-preservation, like any living thing. Whistleblowers by definition act against them, so an organization will always benefit by removing them. Failure to do so will prolong the damage and encourage further transgressions.

Although, silencing whistleblowers is as weak a strategy as security through obscurity.

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Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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Whistle blowing policies are not worth the paper on which it's written. Equally worth are HR grievance policies (of all kinds). The sure outcome of invoking either is that (1) you'll lose your job (2) you'll never find a job again. One difference with blowing the whistle, though, is that it'll lead to your death: you'll be killed if you're lucky. If not, you'll lead a painful life of professional and social ostraciza…

I think there's some degree of truth to this, but that you're overstating it.

A realistic takehome message is that sometimes it's best to just walk away.

Sometimes you can even ask for help with the walking away gracefully.

(When asking for help leaving, from within the organization... I suspect you'll need either trustworthy institutional mechanisms for that, or to find one or more individuals who are smart, of good character, and who have the ability to help. Don't ask the wrong person for help.)

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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As a non-USAer, I strongly disagree. There are probably a handful of other countries watching you right now (in a broad, abstract sense) and the USA is the least of our concerns. There is a reason why nothing significant came out of it: every other country knows that this is happening (not exactly but roughly) and they know there are much worse problems to worry about, given other strong international players such as…

As a person living in Sweden, it seems that my most immediate concern is USA. They are the ones that can ask the swedish government to make up some BS accusations to arrest me and eventually ship me to USA where I will be tortured.

Seems like your most immediate concern should be the Swedish government. They’re the ones required to actually agree & implement actions based on the BS accusation.

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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post #71

Whistleblowers act against power structures and that's the ultimate transgression as far as the power structure is concerned. Transgressions in favor of the state are one thing, you'll get a slap on the wrist at most, even personal benefit and promotion in some cases, but transgressions against the state are what will provoke a real response. See, for example, the incredible vigor pursued against the people who relea…

> It is the same thing in corporations too [...]

We have to be really careful with this sort of relativisation. Killing people in a foreign country is not the same thing as selling bad products or dealing with information in an inappropriate way, at home.

Re: Whistleblowers are the conscience of society, yet suffer gravely

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That's exactly the problem. You know they are speaking an essential truth when you look at the feathers ruffled by Snowden, Assange and those who follow in their path. They will get their due acclaim if we're lucky to have a more moral and free society in the future.

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Hey, I'm a little baffled by your mention of Mogadishu...what are you refering?

- for reference, the battle of mogadishu is the Black hawk down incident, and Mogadishu is the capital of Somalia.

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