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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by MrPatan »

vidarh wrote: post #243
MrPatan wrote: post #227

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> Irrespective of the source of the dysphoria, it exists No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases. Start blocking puberties and you end up with a lot of unnecessary surgeries and sterile people who will suffer the rest of their lives. How many people temporally confused by social contagion are you wil…

>No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases. The evidence does not support this claim. You're flat out making shit up to argue for denying treatment to people who untreated are at great risk of harm. However, it is right that it resolves for many. This is why puberty blockers are important as a means to…

You keep conflating adults with children.

It's not the same. Nobody cares what adults do. They do have agency over their own life and I defend their freedom to fuck themselves up in the most creative way they can think up.

But don't go after children. There is a reason they can't legally consent to many things. It's too easy to manipulate children to make really bad decisions they later regret, so at least lets not make irreversible damage.

Sorry, but no. I'm torn between hoping you'll understand once you have children of your own, or hoping you never, ever go anywhere near any child.

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Post by the_doctah »

Timon3 wrote: post #199
account42 wrote: post #142

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> a tiny minority of 16 year olds are able to receive top surgeries And this is supposed to be an argument for "it never happens"? You don't see a problem with confused girls who are still coming to terms with their bodies having medically unnecessary surgery to have healthy organs removed? And yes, some of them are regretting that when they grow up. Some of them are even willing to speak up. But I'm sure you will no…

Many people regret surgeries and similar. Should we ban knee surgery? Hip replacements? Should teenage girls be barred from breast reduction surgery? If not, can you clearly differentiate between these cases?

The things you listed are physical ailments. The last time we treated mental illness with surgery, it was called a lobotomy.

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Post by the_doctah »

klyrs wrote: post #159
account42 wrote: post #137

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Cis/hetero-normativity is sexual ideology though. And there's a big difference between "pushing" and "accepting." I've seen a parent shun their 3-year old for playing dress-up -- "I can't love you if you do this". That's pushing gender ideology. My kid's grandparents started asking him if he has a "girlfriend" at around 4. That's pushing a sexual ideology. You don't need to be religious to buy into dogmatic misinform…

>Cis/hetero-normativity is sexual ideology though

Actually, we call it "instinct". You know, how animals know to have sex with each other and make babies.

It's hilarious anyone can refer to it as ideological with a straight face. It's disingenuous.

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Post by the_doctah »

klyrs wrote: post #11
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

People believing that masses of children are literally getting surgery, circumcision notwithstanding, is a result of a persistent campaign to cause panic. And it's the same hucksters selling fear to the same religious reactionaries. New day, new apocalyptic scapegoat.

It's happening regardless of the disingenous "it's not happening" claims. Here's some reading for you. There are many more examples. Cute swipe at religion though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11377391/Age-just...

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Post by the_doctah »

zrail wrote: post #55
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Children don't receive elective surgery. It's just not a thing, in any medical guidelines or ethics rules, anywhere in the country. Older teens, _extremely rarely_, are allowed to have top surgery, but it's case by case. Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. The process to start treatment is universally difficult and involves multiple years of therapy and concu…

>There are no examples we could find, or the governor's office provided, of transition-related surgeries for people under the age of 14.

14 isn't a child anymore? Your left-leaning political fact checking source sucks. Here's some reading for you. Do some real research.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11377391/Age-just...

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Post by throwawaylinux »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #251
throwawaylinux wrote: post #231

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> Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied. That's not what the list says.

so why aren’t my gay friends on that list? After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.

Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable.

> After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.

I don't know what you mean. That's not a gotcha.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

xsmasher wrote: post #235
throwawaylinux wrote: post #123

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Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

But "compiling lists" is good, or at least neutral, right? Where would mankind be if we weren't allowed to compile lists? You can't remove all the context from an action and claim the general case and the specific case are identical. That's like saying "Punching is just swinging my arm; you can't arrest me for swinging my arm!"

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Post by at_a_remove »

vidarh wrote: post #244
MrPatan wrote: post #224

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You're damn right children can't consent to anything! That is exactly the point! Which is why the parents are the ones in charge, and why it's alarming that for irreversible sterilizing and life-altering procedures they're trying to remove the parents. It's insane, as you very well put it. They can't get a tattoo, too permanent, but they can get their tits chopped off. Makes total sense, yeah.

And yet you're making the insane argument against the treatment (puberty blockers) that is fully reversible and reduces the need for making irreversible decisions at such a young age. And in doing so you're arguing for imposing drastic, life altering and harmful effects on those for whom their dysphoria does not resolve. It's a deeply nasty level of authoritarian overreach to be prepared to force such harm on people…

Puberty blockers are not fully reversible. It isn't like someone hits a pause button on puberty, as much as people like to portray it that way. I Am Jazz even displayed one of the consequences -- Jazz had inadequate penile growth, and thus wasn't really eligible for the more common and preferred vaginoplasty. And you're definitely messing with height, as any surge in estrogen can cause the growth plates to fuse -- completely non-reversible, to the dismay of all kinds of people.

Time marches on in the human body, whether we like it or not. Now, show me a "perma-kitten," a cat developmentally frozen in full kittenhood, behaviorally and all (something I think would be immensely popular with some crowds) and then undo it, only then will you be close to this pause button which puberty blockers cannot well emulate.

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Post by jgaa »

kstenerud wrote: post #104
jgaa wrote: post #27

In Norway, this fire was lit by a high ranking police officer in the state criminal police, it's "FBI". Many people was hurt, falsely convicted and many lives was destroyed. In the police, and in the child abuse industry, money was made and careers built on these lies. The police officer who brought this mental pest to Norway was eventually arrested, naked, hiding behind a bush in his neighbors garden - spying on a l…

> I think it was Hermann Hesse who wrote that "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." This sounds nice and pithy, but it's trivial to debunk. Beheading someone is not part of myself, but it most certainly disturbs me. And I certainly wouldn't be hating something in myself by hating someone who perpetrated such a grisly crime.

So you know yourself 100% then?
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