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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by Karunamon »

Qahlel wrote: post #219
Workaccount2 wrote: post #190

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This is why I don't sign on to anything new google does for a few years now. It's going to be buggy but promising initially, then be poorly supported, and then be cancelled leaving you high and dry. If I was a large shareholder I'd be yelling to ditch Sundar everyday. The guy is a total idiot just floating by on ads dollars. Google could be so much more if they reorganized into conventional dedicated teams and stoppe…

Actually, this strategy works for google. Google enters these markets and then kills it for any possible future competitors. In the short run, it's a loss, in the long run, you nullify new possible competitors.

In this case, I think that's a good thing in the long run. This entire class of game streaming product is as anti-customer as it's possible to be. It's basically the wet dream of DRM control freaks in the industry.

If the death of stadia kills the category, stadia's impact was a net positive.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by staticassertion »

manimino wrote: post #248
Qahlel wrote: post #219

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Actually, this strategy works for google. Google enters these markets and then kills it for any possible future competitors. In the short run, it's a loss, in the long run, you nullify new possible competitors.

A better strategy would be to win the markets and profit from them.

lol yes, the uh "traditional" approach is just... discover market, deliver product, profit. This "new" strategy of "deliver product, lose money, shut product down" seems like it may not work well long term.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by bdefore »

jsnell wrote: post #182
macspoofing wrote: post #143

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>But this one is probably the clearest, obvious failure of execution ... There is an absolutely crystal clear playbook of a Tech company forcing its way into the Gaming business. I'm not sure this was an 'obvious failure of execution'. They wanted to build a gaming cloud-streaming-only service, and they built one. I don't think you can build a better one because the problems with cloud-streamed gaming are with the co…

Oh, there definitely were obvious failures of execution. Not on the core streaming tech side, but on the business and product aspects. The product should have been quite compelling: a way of playing current gen console games with basically no up front hardware investment and no ongoing subscription. That's what the "free" version of Stadia was. But then they muddied things up with Stadia Pro, making people think it w…

Absolutely agree. XBox Cloud gaming took the "Netflix for games" strategy and with inferior quality was able to decently establish itself.

How to fund the development of a risky but long-term valuable new platform? Whomever was calling the shots on that question failed spectacularly and in a way that technology companies usually don't. You're already losing hundreds of millions making the tech, why not spend a few more loss-leading the user growth?

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by itsoktocry »

mywittyname wrote: post #185
FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63

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That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

I believe Valve has promised to unlock all games purchased through their platform in the event that they go out of business. Whether they stick to that is another story, but it should happen for at least some games. They've been operating Steam for 20 years now. So the company has staying power. Plus, the most likely thing to happen to Valve is a MS acquisition.

>They've been operating Steam for 20 years now. So the company has staying power.

This is true, but also this is all new. Sooner than later there will be a case of a 20 year old company who licenses media that burns their customer base. It's inevitable.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by CSSer »

jsnell wrote: post #75

This is an anonymous source (not even verified by the original publicizer of the rumor) reporting second hand on what their "regional manager" friend heard in a "seminar". Why give any credence to this? This is about as close as it gets to "my friend has an uncle working at Nintendo" level of sourcing, but it's being taken as absolute fact by basically everyone in this thread. Mr. Killedbygoogle doesn't seem to be al…

There's a fine line between a rumor and an open secret. I personally have experienced exactly what you described. One of my coworkers knows someone on the Stadia team. Based on the gossip I've heard completely independent of this 'revelation' that all turned out to be true, it wouldn't surprise me. Who cares? It's not like I've got any any money riding on it, and frankly everyone should know better about Google's behavior attitude about this stuff by now.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by simiones »

dtx1 wrote: post #147
billconan wrote: post #45

As an engineer who used to work on cloud gaming, I know the biggest challenge of cloud gaming is not achieving low latency, but achieving low latency at reasonable cost. The reality is that the economic numbers don't really add up.

If money was no object, what would technologically be possible right now in terms of latency?

Google could install a Stadia data center in every block of every city and town on Earth, at least any where there is a Stadia customer. Some version of this is the only way to reduce latency significantly.

In a more realistic version, it is exactly what Netflix does - they pay to have Netflix streaming servers running in local ISP centers in much of the world where there are Netflix customers.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by ansible »

mywittyname wrote: post #185
FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

I believe Valve has promised to unlock all games purchased through their platform in the event that they go out of business. Whether they stick to that is another story, but it should happen for at least some games. They've been operating Steam for 20 years now. So the company has staying power. Plus, the most likely thing to happen to Valve is a MS acquisition.

If Stadia is shut down, they should offer activation keys for each user's purchased games on Epic, GOG, Xbox, GeForce Now or Steam. Or where ever, really, it doesn't matter.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by fariszr »

mywittyname wrote: post #185
FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

I believe Valve has promised to unlock all games purchased through their platform in the event that they go out of business. Whether they stick to that is another story, but it should happen for at least some games. They've been operating Steam for 20 years now. So the company has staying power. Plus, the most likely thing to happen to Valve is a MS acquisition.

After their Linux move, Vlave really want to have nothing to do with Microsoft.

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Post by hiptobecubic »

conradfr wrote: post #244
Qahlel wrote: post #219

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Actually, this strategy works for google. Google enters these markets and then kills it for any possible future competitors. In the short run, it's a loss, in the long run, you nullify new possible competitors.

Geforce Now seems to be doing alright.

GFN solved stadia's main problem by integrating with Steam.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by _1 »

robertakarobin wrote: post #221
ohgodplsno wrote: post #192

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No. In fact, the incompetent people at the head of those projects fail upwards. Take Phil Harrison, who is at the head of Stadia (not Stadia Games and Studios): - Worked at Sony Entertainment, handling the software side of things, was there to help for the massive fuckup that was the PS3 launch. - Got fired (or "resigned" in C-level speak), joined Infogrames (soon to become Atari) and majorly fucked up, saying that s…

We call that a Shit Midas, where everything they touch turns to shit.

Or the Mierdas Touch
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