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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Are you seriously suggesting that protesting is an execution worthy offense?

If you're protesting in the middle of the street for the express purpose of disrupting traffic, you get what you get.

So in other words, you believe that people protesting in the street deserve to die.

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The main issue here I guess, is Tesla assisting the bailiffs. Bailiffs (here in the UK) have certain legal rights to enter and repossess your house and/or remove property you haven't fully paid for. They are granted this right via a case-by-case court order. If Telsa are also granted the rights within the court order to assist the bailiffs, then presumably it would be a fully legal action. At the end of the day, you…

Most US car dealerships will make a new key for someone repossessing a car. As Tesla is the dealership this seems like the exact same situation, the only difference is someone with the key can now remote summon the car.

I could see that if they are holding the financing. If the car is financed by a third party, I cannot imagine why the dealer would want or care to get involved.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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> Cars with remote summons features today basically just crawl forward a few metres to help you get out of a parking spot. Smart summon on a M3 (what the article is talking about) can back out and navigate parking lots... although horribly and slowly. But it's not just a straight line.

One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

The worst part about this for me is that the Costco parking lot is already a cluster without having to add in the "show off my car to my brother in law" game to the mix.

I avoid Costco like the plague because the experience is always bad for my mental health. I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to avoid oblivious giant cart drivers, having to show multiple forms of ID , having my receipt validated before I can leave, having to figure out how to transport stuff to and from car, etc. Plus, there is no consistency in the non-grocery inventory. You're forced into the "we _have_ to buy these pans today because we never know when they'll be available again!" psychological trap.

It's just a very inconvenient shopping experience in my opinion. But I know I'm the only person in America who feels this way.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

While I’m not saying summon is a great feature, it would not have hit the things you’re mentioning. Its major flaw is thin upright things like small trees or poles (although this may be better on vision only cars, I’m not sure). If it sees a person or child in its path, it’s just going to stop.

From someone who automatic doors wouldn't react to as a thin teenager, this isn't very reassuring.

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In the US this is legal. Banks are authorized to repossess property if you’re late on a payment^. Private companies are allowed to participate in repossession as long as they don’t break any other laws. Tesla didn’t break into the owner’s house to steal their passwords or keys, they didn’t assault the owner. All they did was take his car. They verified that they were taking the correct car. Since the repossession was…

Thanks very much for the answer. I assumed that it would have to go through the judiciary, but I am surprised to see it's not the case. It does make sense, especially if it's not abusive (e.g. one month behind equals reposession)

It doesn't go through the judiciary (e.g., it would if it were an an apartment and you stopped paying rent), but the owner signs a loan note that specifies that the loan is in default after missing N payments (usually after 3 months). Once in default, the bank can repossess the vehicle, but they'd rather not since their business is lending money and anything else is a money-losing distraction. So they will usually try to find a way for you to keep the car (and keep making payments). They usually only repo if they can't contact the debtor or they can't come to an agreement.

Repossession of any kind (car, house, etc...) is typically an option of last resort for the bank after the debtor refuses to work with them or enter into other agreements that could help. They really just want to keep collecting payments from you.

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The police should also have the capability of remotely stopping a running away car. Hopefully this feature will be standardized.

I completely disagree, I cherish my personal freedom and will not be buying any connected vehicle for as long as possible because of that.

Every new car has GPS tracking and cellular antennas in them and has for almost a decade.

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I'm pretty strongly of the position that high levels of self-driving are impossible for artificial intelligences to attain, because they're built by corporations. Driving is VERY risky, and involves an irreducible assumption of both risk and liability on behalf of the driver. Humans are natural risk-takers. Corporations are not; and any artificial intelligence a corporation produces is always, at some level of meanin…

From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

Lmao, their tech is faaaar away from anything remotely usable in real life. Sure it can follow a double yellow in the middle of the woods, I could do that when I was 10, as soon as you put it in city traffic it's game over in 15 seconds.

We will not have fully autonomous vehicles in our street until we ban human driven vehicles and completely rework our infrastructure, aka probably not in our lifetime.

Look at that video, it's comically bad: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/rgiu8m/the_fu...

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Ha. Though my guess is, once self-driving is reliable enough to do that, the economics of car ownership are going to flip completely. It won't make sense anymore to have a car that spends most of its time sitting unused in your garage.

That is only going to happen for most people if the economics of car rentals are VEEEEEERRY reasonable. I am not willing to wait 10 minutes for an available vehicle every time I need to go somewhere. People who are dreaming of a day of full automation need to take this into account, because while I don't know how long the average trip by car is, I suspect that it's somewhere in the 15-20 minute range, which is imposs…

Uber now is rarely 10 minutes or more. Usually <5 if you're in a major city.

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Ha. Though my guess is, once self-driving is reliable enough to do that, the economics of car ownership are going to flip completely. It won't make sense anymore to have a car that spends most of its time sitting unused in your garage.

Imagine, now, that self-driving combined with Uber pool, so that people who need to get from and to the same destinations at the same time (as is typical for commutes) would be able to share the ride. Imagine then making those vehicles larger to enable not only a decrease in traffic, but an increase in housing density, local infrastructure in walking distance, and economic growth. Imagine if we then realized we could…

The fact that Uber is so popular even though it is more than 10x the price of a bus shows exactly how much people want to ride buses.

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I completely disagree, I cherish my personal freedom and will not be buying any connected vehicle for as long as possible because of that.

Every new car has GPS tracking and cellular antennas in them and has for almost a decade.

I sincerely doubt that my fiesta has either of those things, and it is a 2017. Yep, just as I thought it does not have ford's cellular or gps systems in it.

I also have a 2004 f-250 that will likely outlive me, and it is completely tracking free.

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