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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by theshrike79 »

sbarre wrote: post #164
bluecatswim wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's not really materially different to paying Disney millionaires to go watch the latest Marvel movie. I feel like it's substantially different, you are paying Disney the money to watch the movie, you don't really care about the actors or other people who worked on it. On the other hand, twitch users pay for the sake of paying money, it's closer to something like strip clubs.

That's a pretty harsh moral/value judgment on how someone chooses to spend their entertainment money. What about comedy clubs? If I buy a ticket to see Dave Chappelle, who is clearly wealthy, am I sucker too? What about paying cover at my local bar because a local band is playing that night? What about buying tickets to a baseball game, to see a bunch of millionaires play a game for a few hours? You are making it see…

> What about comedy clubs? If I buy a ticket to see Dave Chappelle, who is clearly wealthy, am I sucker too?

If you would pay money for Dave to shout "Hey sbarre, thanks for the donation" from the stage, then you'd be doing what Twitch fans are doing.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by InitialLastName »

boringg wrote: post #196
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #31

Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazo…

Am I the only one a bit disappointed by the gross earnings for the top 5 earners given how much the media has ben hyping the money made by e-gamers. For some reason I would have thought they would make more money over 2 years. Top earner was grossing $ 9.6M ($4.8M/yr), 10th was $2.9M($1.4M/yr), at 81 you drop below $1M (500k/yr) on twitch pre-tax revenue. After 81 you drop below the %1M over two years threshold. Actu…

If you squint a bit, that's not that far off of niche pro athlete money (especially given that the bottom end doesn't have the same discrete threshold that pro sports do). Per [0] the best-paid NHL players are making ~$10M/year, and I would expect the NHL to be more efficiently monetized than internet streamers (we know that making money as "talent" on the internet is a tough proposition).

[0] https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by matheusmoreira »

warent wrote: post #203
matheusmoreira wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's so absurd it's hilarious. Seeing people make millions of USD for playing games and mentioning others in a live stream made me seriously rethink the value of my own work.

this is a tired old complaint and anybody could say the same about pretty much any job that pays more than their own. Telling blue collar workers you work in tech usually gets a nearly identical reaction to what you just gave. etc etc.

Yeah, and what's wrong with that reaction? I'm supposed to just accept this stuff?

The blue collar workers are right too. They should be getting paid a lot more. Certainly not less than streamers. It's not fair and I refuse to accept it.

Come to think of it, advertisers seem to be a major cause of these distortions. They distort the value of activities that happen to have an audience. Yet another reason to block ads: help restore balance to society by ensuring people are properly rewarded for the actual value of their work instead of how many eyeballs they can summon.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by ta988 »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #154
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #31

Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazo…

Are there any consequences for downloading these files? I’d like to learn best practices from a successful company — but not at existential risk.

Depends on your local legislations, but be careful that by default on torrents you are also sharing those files to others so you are also distributing stolen material, so it may have an impact on your potential "crime".

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Post by scrollaway »

bogwog wrote: post #223
jsiepkes wrote: post #7

> An unreleased Steam competitor, codenamed Vapor, from Amazon Game Studios The choosing of the name Vapor is probably no accident when the main competitor is Steam. Just like when IBM launched the "Eclipse foundation" which was arguably based on one of Sun's most prized possessions; Java.

That sounds like an internal product name. At launch they'll probably pick something significantly less clever and more generic. It would be pretty awesome if they stuck with "Vapor" though. It'd be some WWE-style drama, and great for marketing.

We could call games released on there Vaporware :)

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Post by jandrese »

falcolas wrote: post #246
tiborsaas wrote: post #220

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Are you kidding? 4.8M / year is stellar revenue. Much much more than most people make in a lifetime. It's even more interesting that for 50k gross, you have to beat this guy "DEMOLITION_D" at the #4432 place.

Number 1 is Critical Roll. Their website lists 24 employees (many of whom are professional actors), and I’m sure there’s more behind the scenes. Salaries add up quickly.

That works out to $200k/year for each employee, which after you account for benefits is a solid middle class income, assuming they don't live in downtown San Francisco or something.

It's basically a regular job at that point.

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Post by rapind »

bluecatswim wrote: post #152
meheleventyone wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the basis of the economy with the increasing wealth gap and so on? It's not really materially different to paying Disney millionaires to go watch the latest Marvel movie.

>It's not really materially different to paying Disney millionaires to go watch the latest Marvel movie. I feel like it's substantially different, you are paying Disney the money to watch the movie, you don't really care about the actors or other people who worked on it. On the other hand, twitch users pay for the sake of paying money, it's closer to something like strip clubs.

I would assume big streamers are running a business too. At the very least they are paying an accountant and probably lawyer (for incorporation, taxes). I'm sure some are also paying designers, editors, marketers, advertisers, agents, managers, etc.

On youtube you have streamers merging under the same umbrella to create branded channels.

IMO the differences compared to Disney is the scale of the production and the interactive medium (which is constrained by scale). Once you reach a certain scale I don't think you can expect much direct interaction due to the volume of chat. So really it's just scale.

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Post by theshrike79 »

falcolas wrote: post #250
pixxel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa. Is gross per year or since account creation?! Either way these numbers are insane.

Eh, not always. Critical Roll, #1 on the chart with $4.8M, has 24 credited employees, and who knows how much else backing them up. It’s an entertainment corporation that just happens to run on Twitch.

This is just one revenue stream, Twitch subs.

No Twitch donations, Patreon, merch sales etc.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

Semaphor wrote: post #37

This is somewhat hilarious. Just 5 days ago I was complaining about Twitch’s new "Only verified users" setting which requires me to give them my phone number. One of the reasons I said I’ll not do that was "hacks, leaks". And now this. Sure, I’ll give you my phone number to add TOTP (Why even?) after I’ve just been shown how secure that data is.

I don't really get this. My phone number is apparently already known by every scammer and spammer on earth, which is why I never answer calls from people I don't know, so what am I losing?

Meanwhile, Twitch has had a significant bot spamming problem.

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Post by [deleted] »

Gravyness wrote: post #258
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #31

Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam Contains the following data points: 'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross' (TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazo…

Post was just deleted and the archiver removed the links: https://warosu.org/g/thread/83691438 , anyone have mirrors?

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