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Post by cyberlurker »

tremon wrote: post #239
eloisius wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An increasing desire and capability to export their illiberal practices abroad. For example, using their weight to prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at foreign universities. It’s naive to think that an even more powerful China wouldn’t continue to suppress free speech abroad as much as it does at home.

How is what China does to the Dalai Lama any worse than what the US does to Julian Assange? Isn't it equally naive to assume that an even more powerful USA wouldn't continue to summarily execute people abroad as much as it already does?

I think you have a decent comparison, but debate about what the CIA did in the US is widely reported in the US while. There is no free press in China. Pressure to stop China will only come externally, whereas pressure to stop US can come from within and external.

Also China is continuing to carry out a genocide that is unparalleled in this century.

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Post by quench »

marvin wrote: post #251
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Chinese sent aircraft carriers 20 miles of Los Angeles, I'm pretty sure USA would react very harsh.

Wouldn’t that be 230 miles, or are there distinct international agreements that put China’s territorial borders eleven times closer their shores than other countries with a coastline?

International waters are 24 Nautical miles Exclusive economic zone is 200 Nautical miles

So it would be ok (in theory) to have a warship 25 miles off the coast provided it wasn't fishing or drilling for oil

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Post by specialist »

chrischen wrote: post #200
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

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As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

China is America's enemy because they are achieving rival status and America can't just walk all over China like they do most South and Central American countries, its allies, etc. The bad stuff China does is just frosting on top for the narrative.

Agree with "rival status".

Two belligerents wrestling over which currency the world economy will use.

The history of humanity in a nutshell.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Post by 2rsf »

colordrops wrote: post #54
desertraven wrote: post #18

Could this be an intentional leak? Put some super stealth looking object on a truck to mislead adversaries?

This was my first thought. It's very unlikely that this was unintentional if it is indeed a leak.

The best way to make it look unintentional is to make someone unintentionally post it in a planned way

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Post by jessaustin »

rocgf wrote: post #223
zeckalpha wrote: post #146

> America’s top adversary By what definition of adversary is China America’s top adversary?

If it's not China, then who is it?

For 70 years, our adversary has been the USA military-industrial complex.

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Post by jessaustin »

mcculley wrote: post #34

I have been wondering how governments and corporations will adapt to a world where it becomes simply impossible to keep secrets.

We've seen how they've adapted: secrets related to self-dealing and CYA are prioritized over secrets related to security or other national priorities.

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Post by eloisius »

tremon wrote: post #239
eloisius wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An increasing desire and capability to export their illiberal practices abroad. For example, using their weight to prevent the Dalai Lama from speaking at foreign universities. It’s naive to think that an even more powerful China wouldn’t continue to suppress free speech abroad as much as it does at home.

How is what China does to the Dalai Lama any worse than what the US does to Julian Assange? Isn't it equally naive to assume that an even more powerful USA wouldn't continue to summarily execute people abroad as much as it already does?

Nothing justifies it when the US does evil. The important difference is that as a society, in the US we have remarkable capacity for self-criticism and the power to loudly rebuke our government. We're far from perfect, but we can at least acknowledge the atrocities committed in our names, and hopefully account for them and try not to commit them again. The same is not true in Chinese society. Currently, it is only external pressure that keeps them in check. There won't be internal resistance to the Chinese governments expansionist behavior, because it simply would not be tolerated. The PRC will even use its power to silence criticism from abroad, much less tolerate it at home.

Again, we're not perfect, but we hear about almost every drone strike that harms civilians, or the abuses our prisoners of war face in Guantanamo bay. Does anyone in China rebuke the government for stealing land from neighboring countries[1] and building on it?

[1]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/07/china-bhutan-border-vil...

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Post by ethbr0 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #133
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

Because of this chart: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_militar... And because China (as far as I know?) is the only country threatening to invade a US ally (Taiwan).

Oh! Duh. North Korea would be on that list too.

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Post by postalrat »

smart_creative wrote: post #203
zeckalpha wrote: post #146

> America’s top adversary By what definition of adversary is China America’s top adversary?

Which part do you quibble with? That China is the TOP adversary or that China is even an adversary to begin with?

Isn't that what he is asking?

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Post by todd3834 »

4ggr0 wrote: post #233
analognoise wrote: post #219

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Communists don't have a great reputation for peace.

I wonder why the bad things the US does internationally never get blamed on capitalism, yet when people write or vent about China it's always about these darn Communists. Are these after-effects of the red scare? China is an authoritarian dictatorship with their own flavour of communism I guess. Blaming everything they do on commmunism as a whole is very uninformed.

I believe this has to do with any system where the government has too much control. Communism appears to me like a system that promotes the government’s freedoms over an individual.
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