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Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by vkou »

wahern wrote: post #147
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> China permitting North Korea to develop and possess nuclear weapons is a violation of China's role as a nuclear super power,

The same could be said about the US vis-a-vis Israel.

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Post by chrischen »

elmomle wrote: post #118
kbenson wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Publicly posting confidential information is definitely bad. Bringing a device that can covertly collect enemies for adversaries is even worse. If you aren't posting top secret data, you also aren't sharing it with enemies on accident .

How certain are you that TikTok only gathers data of any kind when you, the user, ask it to?

Pretty sure iOS security policy mitigates this unless they are Zero-daying something.

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Post by eric__cartman »

wonnage wrote: post #81
kindle-dev wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The TikTok app may have camera access and location access. It could capture images and send them to China when it detects its on a military base without the user even knowing. It’s so annoying to see “what about X” comments on every story with almost no thought put into the response.

It's as annoying to see all these unfounded comments like yours making China some sort of omniscient bogeyman.

This is a problem with propietary software in general. You can't be sure about what it does at all times. It's not a China specific issue.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by high_5 »

If they really wanted to hide it, they would cover it like they do it with new cars when testing them on public spaces. And construction workers would have been much more vetted what they have in their pockets. This is not TikTok failure, but a infosec failure on the project of this thingy.

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Post by at-fates-hands »

wahern wrote: post #147
Kretinsky wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-american, it's always interesting to see the point of view of the major military power. Why is China "America's top adversary"? Aside from the OPSEC issue, which is understandable, why does the author - and I guess it's a widespread view - considers China as America's utmost adversary? Can't there exist two rich and prosperous countries? Why does the author uses such jingoist terms? How should other countrie…

I can't speak for the author or to popular anti-China narratives in the U.S., but from a traditional geopolitical perspective China poses a threat because of territorial claims independent of Taiwan, most importantly its claims over the South China Sea. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_So... Those claims pose a grave threat directly to…

> China permitting North Korea to develop and possess nuclear weapons is a violation of China's role as a nuclear super power,

While this is true, the US had a hand in helping the DPRK obtain the necessary tools to do so way back in 1994:

In 1994, President Bill Clinton agreed to a deal with North Korea aimed at curbing their desire to develop a nuclear weapon, an agreement which the networks at the time hailed as a sign that “the Cold War is really over.”

Under the 1994 framework, which North Korea eventually violated, the U.S. helped the rogue regime build a new nuclear reactor that would not be capable of producing weapons-grade plutonium in exchange for international access to its nuclear facilities, although the United States caved and the inspections would not start for several years.

Crucial inspections are being delayed five years while the rest of the deal is implemented. American officials say the delay is a small price to pay for getting North Korea to shut down its entire nuclear program

But Kim Jung Il’s regime gets to keep what intelligence experts believe it already has, at least one bomb. And it does not have to permit inspection to nuclear waste sites for 5 years.

The very framework designed to prevent the DPRK from obtaining a nuclear weapon actually laid the groundwork for them to not only obtain nuclear technology, but to fast track their program to produce even more nukes.

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Post by nelsondev »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #177
publicola1990 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is China really threating the US directly in anyway through military confrontation? Taiwan, China sea matters are localised to the close neighborhood of China. Does the US desire peaceful coexistence with China or not? Reading some of the hawkish, cold war style jingoism coming out of US media makes one wonder?

China is a state that seems to be more or less incompatible with liberal democracies and has a lot of power. That is the main struggle

How is China incompatible with liberal democracies? internally of course, the authoritarian politics are incompatible.

But in international relations, they’ve traded been trading with liberal democracies for decades. So what’s the incompatibility?

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Post by curiousgal »

jasonhansel wrote: post #180
livinginfear wrote: post #149

I'm surprised that there's only one other person in this thread discussing the possibility that this is a deliberately coordinated release of information by the military. I've never worked for the US military, however I doubt that if you're working in close proximity to classified hardware they just let you loose with a smartphone in your hand. The person filming this would surely have been easily identifiable, and s…

A lot of "leaks" from the White House are actually authorized by the administration. So this isn't as improbable as it sounds.

If my country spent trillions of dollars on weapons and still felt the need to resort to this kind of tactics to make their enemies feel underpowered then I'd feel even more disappointed with how my tax dollars are spent. I expect North Korea or Hamas to engage in this rather than the US.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

Really? It’s not a prop from a movie nor the light of Venus reflecting off swamp gas?

More like let’s keep a bunch of Chinese analysts busy for a few days looking at low quality video. I’m pretty sure the US military can make sure ground troops don’t have camera phones at sensitive sites. Pat them down before they arrive on site, return their stuff after their shift ends. Done.

Re: Secret military aircraft possibly exposed on TikTok

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Post by diebeforei485 »

Whoever posted this (plus all their friends) are gonna be closely monitored, server-side, by the CCP.

Not just the buddy list, but also phone contacts, people who have send them TikTok videos using links (links to videos on TikTok include info about the sender), and people associated by IP address.

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