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Post by DangitBobby »

andy_ppp wrote: post #27

I guess you can expect companies to start using the defence of many politicians, just create as much noise and kick up as much dirt as possible distracting from whatever the main issue is (in this case child porn on your platform [1]). They were never going to ban adult content were they. Cynical in the extreme. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58255865 EDIT: I’ve updated this comment with a BBC investigation that s…

I find that news report to be pretty uncompelling. They are using lots of weasel wording to make it sound like they have evidence of widespread jailbait, bestiality, and incest (a non-issue between two consenting adults), when really they have nothing. They have "leaked documents" suggesting that accounts posting illegal material are warned instead of shut down immediately, and then they give third hand testimony of examples of illegal content moderators have seen. Notice that there is no attempt to quantify the amount of illegal content. But here we are, trembling in our boots about it.

> Christof - not his real name - says on some days, he has viewed up to 2,000 photos and videos looking for content prohibited by the site. He uses lists of keywords to search within bios, posts and private messages between creators and their subscribers.

> He says he has found illegal and extreme content in videos - including bestiality involving dogs and the use of spy cams, guns, knives and drugs. Some material is not actively searched for by moderators as frequently as he believes it should be, says Christof, despite being banned under the platform's terms of service.

Oh! Well if Cristof thinks they aren't doing enough I guess they must be shut down!

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Post by HelloMcFly »

gambiting wrote: post #213
treesknees wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not exactly true. It's not that an undergraduate degree is worthless, but it's become pretty standard. You may not stand above the rest with just a degree, but you certainly fall below the rest without one. I don't mean this from an intelligence or skill perspective, some of the smartest people I know don't have college degrees. But when the big companies are recruiting from college career fairs or listing it…

I have a friend who worked for 5 years at a big consultancy company and he got stonewalled for getting promoted to a team lead role because he didn't have a masters degree. Like, he was getting top marks every year at performance review, clearly knew how to do the job, but some internal policy somewhere said that you can't be a lead without a masters degree, sorry. He did manage to arrange with them that they would p…

At a consultancy, credentials you can market when "selling" your consultants is part of the job. Depending on the field, a certain level of accredited knowledge (i.e., from a degree, or certification perhaps) is part of how the bill-rate is justified for employees at given levels.

We don't have an education lock on certain roles/levels at the company I work for, but we do have roles at certain levels that require a given certification no matter how proficient one is in the specified tech. This isn't a small-brain move that misses the forest of knowledge for the trees of credentials, but a recognition that it will be more challenging to staff that employee at a given level without it.

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Post by duxup »

knicholes wrote: post #187
busymom0 wrote: post #157

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I would also like to know on whether it's possible for someone to start their own payment processors? There are tutorials on how to start an ISP, so should be possible for payment processors too no?

Why not use crypto? Porncoin2.

Is there a way to do that where customers / content creators don't eventually hit traditional payment processor / bank?

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Post by mzs »

notyourday wrote: post #202
whymauri wrote: post #51

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

> For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo for equivalent of a full time job. https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators... .

FWIW that's an average not median income with a ton of caveats ^ from the source. I'm confident though that only the first two screens of OF content creators make the bulk of the income though.

^ https://mrq.com/blog/only-fans

> https://ranking-fans.com/ - Seedlist and Fans Sorted by total fans; accounts where fans are not available have been excluded. Many accounts listed as having the most fans are free accounts used by OnlyFans models who also possess paid accounts. However, as fan numbers were only available for the free accounts, these have been disregarded for the purposes of this story. Likewise, "free" accounts where subscription is free but photos provided required payment have been disregarded. Accordingly, the only data shown is for paid accounts with high subscriber numbers. In some cases, models possessed multiple paid accounts. In these cases, only the one with the highest subscriber numbers has been tracked. Monthly earnings are based exclusively on the individual account assuming no media requires additional payment and disregarding tips and similar voluntary costs. Similarly, free trials and discounts have been excluded. Accordingly, all monthly earnings are estimates reflecting the monthly payments of subscribers over the long term.

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Post by adjkant »

whynaut wrote: post #201
nooyurrsdey wrote: post #145

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The amount of anger and negativity in this comment is shocking. The work she does is often stereotyped as being "dumb" or non-intellectual. To fight that idea, OP found it valuable to mention how smart she is and how these platorms provide a safe and profitable way to provide for her child. Ask yourself - and I mean really ask yourself - what about that statement has you so angry?

You shouldn’t need to “excuse” sex work.

You shouldn't need to, but on Hacker News I can't say I can fault this caveat getting ahead of some potentially nasty comments, even if in principle I agree it shouldn't need to be said.

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Post by crescentfresh »

pelasaco wrote: post #246
whymauri wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.

Craftsmen who are willing to do a small job for me are so hard to find right now, they're busy enough NONE of them in my area need the business. Every quote I get is either overblown "to make it worth my time", or I simply get declined. Ontario, Canada.

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Post by bluGill »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #92
bluGill wrote: post #70

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I'd include lending in basic services. However it would tie it to pure risk, along with don't let a customer get into too much debt. Pure risk means you only get to look at risk from an actuarial/numbers perspective, nothing more. Too much debt I'm not quite sure how to word into proper legalise but that needs to be done before we can actually do this - maybe just better bankruptcy laws so that risk goes up too high…

The sticking point in my mind for lending is that risk undoubtedly varies by industry. It's not really very sensible to force banks to lend money to businesses without considering what industry they're in. At that point, how do you differentiate a sensible underwriting decision from unfair discrimination?

That is the point. They should have numbers to show which industries get rates, and targets that a company meet (how is an open question - it might not be possible) to move to a different rate - either up or down.

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Post by pclmulqdq »

onlyfansfan wrote: post #97

A question to you entrepreneurial types. Why does an globally established and growing company with a proven business model want to raise a billion dollar investment? It's money they'll have to pay back with interest and I assume there would be other strings attached (like the high risk implied by the planned move that was now canceled). How is possibly better than organic growth at this point where they are probably…

Marking the value of your company to market can make you richer over night. If you have a $10/year income stream, a bank might run a calculation valuing that income stream at $50-$100. If you can instead get investors to value it at $1000 (because it is a "tech company" and deserves an insane valuation), you are a lot richer than you used to be. Even if you lose 90% of your income stream, you are still probably richer.

This comes down to the question: why do you want to own a high-value asset? So you can borrow against it to buy more assets. This is how Jeff Bezos can fly around on a $500 million jet while selling $0 of his stock.

Because it's so hard to get traditional investment, entrepreneurs in the sex industry often see that they are a lot poorer (in quality of life terms) than people who own businesses that are much less successful.

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Post by marktangotango »

moksly wrote: post #225
duxup wrote: post #72

My understanding was that they were being cut off by payment processors and banks and that drove the decision. Was this resolved?

There are US laws that I can’t remember the names of which make financial institutions legally responsible (probably bad English) for crimes that happen on platforms they sell their services to. So VISA could be fined for any trafficking that happen on OnlyFans. This is also why Pronhub had to remove almost all their videos if they wanted to keep credit card services. As an European I’m a fan of laws that make platfo…

Coinbase (and other financial services) do a pretty good job of requiring photo id on signup; I don't know what OF procedure is, but there's definitly precedent.
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