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Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

chanmad29 wrote: post #240
michaelcampbell wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and has been portrayed more negatively in the news media than any other living person Uhm, what?

Deserved or not, the coverage he gets has been a balancing act to all the generally sympathetic coverage that Diana gets.

Please be serious.

He's not even the worst treated person in the British royal family, and Diana has been off of the television for decades

The Prince was largely irrelevant even on British television, let alone the rest of the world

If he was the worst treated person on TV, we'd have heard a whole lot more about his Epstein time

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by pjmorris »

kitd wrote: post #75

Story about him (from the Guardian, via Reddit): Hargreaves was a yeoman aboard the destroyer HMS Wallace on which Philip, son of Prince Andrew of Greece, had been appointed first lieutenant - second-in-command - at the age of 21. In July 1943, engaged in the Allied landings in Sicily, the ship came under repeated bombardment at dead of night and its crew realised that they would probably lose their lives. It was the…

The raft may have been purely quick thinking, and it may have been influenced by a knowledge of history. Thomas Cochrane was a celebrated Royal Navy captain during the Napoleonic wars.

Here's Cochrane from his autobiography [0]: "Before they had fairly renewed the chase night was rapidly setting in, and when quite dark, we lowered a ballasted cask overboard with a lantern, to induce them to believe that we had altered our course, though we held on in the same direction during the whole night. The trick was successful, for, as had been calculated, the next morning, to our great satisfaction, we saw nothing of them, and were all much relieved on finding our dollars and his Majesty’s ship once more in safety."

Patrick O'Brian modeled his Jack Aubrey character after Cochrane, in part, and the raft decoy is woven in to the novel 'Master and Commander.'

[0] Cochrane, Admiral Lord. The Autobiography of a Seaman

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by Erwin »

nickkell wrote: post #4
krembanan wrote: post #2

Rest in peace. 99 isn't a bad age to go, what a life he had.

Narrowly missed getting a telegram from his wife

She looked at the message

she'd crafted and penned -

A letter to Philip

that she'd never send.

From reddit's resident poet, "poem_for_your_sprog": https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/mnerwn/prince_ph...

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by phantomathkg »

andrepd wrote: post #244
gorgoiler wrote: post #194

Sixty five years as the husband of the head of state of a G7, nuclear armed nation, that brought the world Thatcherite individualism and the first cracks in the EU. Philip, like it or not, wielded influence and power beyond his constitutional station. One doesn’t have to like him, but one should respect him.

Wow, why should I respect that this unelected aristocrat "wielded great influence beyond his station"?

Compare to other unelected autocrat around the world? The house of Windsor earn their respect by being modest.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #53

Because Prince Charles is heir to the throne (and has been portrayed more negatively in the news media than any other living person), some in the HN community may be surprised to know that he wrote a book on philosophy . https://www.amazon.com/Harmony-New-Way-Looking-World/dp/0061... I found the book to be astonishingly good. It takes a design approach to Platonism and western esotericism. It goes deep into "sacred g…

> (and has been portrayed more negatively in the news media than any other living person)

They really do love making victims out of their predatory world leaders, don't they?

Trump fans do this too

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by elliekelly »

nindalf wrote: post #91
crossroadsguy wrote: post #32

Rest in peace! I have always felt strongly against monarchy. Especially against the British royal family, more so as I am an Indian. They never apologized for any of the massacres (Jallianwala is just one example) or pogroms committed at their behest and in their name. I do believe they are a disgusting symbol of colonialism, racism, subjugation. It is very disturbing that a good part of the world and an entire natio…

I think it’s interesting that you’d blame this family for the horrors of colonialism. They haven’t had a say in British policy for around 2 centuries. Although the monarch meets the Prime Minister every week, they cannot tell the PM what to do, unless it affects the royal family personally. The PM listens to what they have to say but charts their own course. If you’re looking for someone to blame, Churchill deserves…

You might find the book Midnights Furies interesting. It’s about The Partition of India[1] and the royal family was indeed very closely involved. They saw India as a critical component of the British Empire and feared not for the welfare of the people but for the monarchy’s future.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

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Post by Grustaf »

baybal2 wrote: post #145
bidirectional wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all in the case of Elizabeth II. She holds the throne because parliament gave it to her ancestor, George I, to avoid a Catholic inheriting the throne.

Yes, another tidbit, UK barely avoided getting a German monarch by 2 years. Otherwise they may have ended with a Prussian on the throne

Surely George I _was_ German?

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Post by neuronic »

samstave wrote: post #243
gorgoiler wrote: post #194

Sixty five years as the husband of the head of state of a G7, nuclear armed nation, that brought the world Thatcherite individualism and the first cracks in the EU. Philip, like it or not, wielded influence and power beyond his constitutional station. One doesn’t have to like him, but one should respect him.

That's gunna be a 'no' from me, dawg.

As opposed to Prince Philip's, no one cares about your opinion.

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by mnw21cam »

andrepd wrote: post #252
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Queen holds a weekly audience with the Prime Minister. It's unlikely they make chitchat about the weather. The monarch also vets laws while they're being drafted and can make suggestions for changes if they affect their interests. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette... The Queen isn't just the head of the armed forces - they swear an oath of loyalty directly to the Monarch, not to the peo…

You don't even need to go into secret meetings. In her public speeches at parliament she interferes and sets a direction for her government (it's hers, not ours). Like calling for more and continued austerity amid the crisis, I don't call that being apolitical (also the irony of calling for austerity from a golden throne shouldn't be lost oje anyone).

You know that particular speech is written for her by the government, don't you?

Re: Prince Philip has died

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Post by nmeofthestate »

pta2002 wrote: post #205
mothsonasloth wrote: post #41

The codename for his death is : "Operation Forth Bridge"

What does this mean?

"Operation Forth Bridge" is the name for the BBC's plan to cover the death of the Duke of Edinburgh. One of the weirdest things about any British royal death is the pre-planned over-reaction of the BBC. For example, programs like tonight's final of a cooking contest are being cancelled. When Diana died, all BBC news bulletins started being prefixed by "this is the BBC, from London" (from London is the bit they added, perhaps because they expected people from all over the Empire to be watching).
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