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Apple does not charge for OS upgrades.
Not right now, but they did. Snow Leopard was $29, Mountain Lion was $19.
I remain annoyed that there is no way to download the Mountain Lion I paid $19 for.
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this different from any other paid software upgrades? You pay to get better features.
I can't edit my comment now but it seems like HN thinks once you buy a CPU, you should get all software for free, because that general-purpose CPU can execute any arbitrary programs, so whatever new software you use is merely exercising the functionality that is already present on the CPU, which you paid for. Ergo, all software must be free (free as in beer).
Hacker News is generally pretty bad at metaphors.
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#263Teslas are notoriously expensive to fix, partially because the automaker retains a tight hold on parts availability. So when a Tesla gets into a crash, insurance companies are quick to declare them a total loss because the cost of repairs approaches the value of the vehicle. At that point, Tesla stops supporting the vehicle, meaning all warranties are voided and Supercharging is disabled, even after the repaired vehi…
It's well-known that the gas-guzzler you own today is more green than scrapping it and buying a new car. Constant replacement eliminates any possible "green" savings.
Depends on how old your gas guzzler is.
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Sure. But I wouldn't accept my motherboard supplier locking hardware features behind software updates either. Like if my can do pci express 16x. I wouldn't think it is right that it only does 8x unless I pay for a software unlock
Happens all the time in electronics. They usually built the top end and then burn off or snip the wires to produce the lower end.
A few years ago there was the known Quadro/Geforce videocard issue:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398555
basically adding or removing a few resistors made card performa like other models costing hundreds of dollars more.
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#265Honestly surprised there hasn't been more work put into designing an open source electric car. While open source doesn't necessarily mean it's secure and bug free - it does bring a sense of security that I can look at the code that's controlling this 2 tone metal death trap I am in.
The over the air updates from tesla that adjust things like the pedal heights and performance characteristics of the motor makes me want to avoid them.
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you can go buy a brand new Honda Civic today that has no cellular modem.
Every modern car has a black box that can be subpoenaed for accident information and may expose other incidental information.
Not quite all vehicles yet.
Here's a list maintained by a company that's in the business of downloading and analyzing Event Data Recorder information: https://rimkus.com/media/pdfs/Event-Data-Recorder-Vehicle-Li...
The only Porsche that appears on the list is the Taycan. I don't see any Ferrari cars on the list.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article claims that many cars are declared "salvage" merely due to Tesla's expensive repairs, which they claim is caused by their (unique?) restrictions on parts availability. As such, Tesla would arguably be responsible for the fact that the cars are "salvage" in the first place. I'm strongly in favor of greater re-use of these enormous machines that require intense capital investment, and valuable and limited r…
> I'm strongly in favor of greater re-use of these enormous machines that require intense capital investment, and valuable and limited resources to create. Yes, though as long as Tesla is up-front about their restrictions, people can take those considerations into account when they make their capital investment.
Sure, I can agree with that. And we can also be critical of Tesla for it. It does run somewhat counter to their environmental mission.
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#268Continuously making money on the same car by making every new owner of the same vehicle pay again for extra software. Genius, absolutely genius.
The private seller can only sell the car without asking for money for the software features and the new owner instead has to pay Tesla again. Brilliant!
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Owners of photoshop don't get free updates even though they own their computer. Software costs money to develop so saying all updates should be free simply because they already own the hardware doesn't makes any sense.
The hardware and software manufacturers are different, no? IBM mainframe owners do get updates for free.
IBM mainframe customers pay software subscription and support/maintenance fees.
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#270So I'm a little confused. If I buy a tesla, and pay the extra $8000 (or whatever it is) for self driving. If I sell my car, is Tesla refunding the $8000 to the original purchaser?
Haha, no. You pay $8000 for a license that authorizes you to use the self-driving feature in that specific vehicle.
So basically it's not worth buying because the license is not resellable. Also what about Elon's tweets about how the "value of your car appreciates" specifically because of the self driving feature. If it appreciates that's referring to selling the car. I imagine a giant lawsuit is coming around this.
Sorry quick search but take a look at this (paywall but you get the jist):
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-16/musk-stan...