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2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

Usenet was a peer-to-peer 'forum' system that used the NNTP protocol.

An NNTP server had a list of discussion forums: clients connected and got the list, and the user could selectively subscribe to the one's they were interested in. The client would keep track of which messages were read, and so when new ones were posted you'd only see new messages by default.

Each NNTP server could talk to other NNTP servers. They would exchange a list of forums each had, and then the articles had in each forum. Each article/post had a unique ID (basically like the Message-ID in e-mails), and so each could request articles from the other that they did not already have. New messages could be posted to either server and they would 'cross pollinate' (multi-master basically).

Each NNTP server could technically talk to multiple other NNTP servers, so cross-pollination could be very wide, but in the early days with low-kbps modems and expensive long distance, there was a lot of local hierarchical hubs.

There were a few key hubs that had fancy long-distance T1 and such that could transfer across continents and oceans as a bit of a service for the community.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Folks, I am the guy behind this project. A friend of mine mentioned he saw the site mentioned on hacker news, so I came to check it out. If you have any questions for me, don't hesitate to ask, as time permits (and two little boys), I'll do my best to answer them.

Do you have any concerns about the so-called 'right' to be forgotten? Are you concerned that anyone who was active back then might lose a job now due to his postings a couple of decades ago?

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Not only was it outside of the WWW, it predated the existence of the WWW by a good 15 years.

One of the more interesting things about usenet was it was all text, and when the web took off, some readers (ahem Netscape) tried to push HTML messages into Usenet. Btw... Usenet was incredible for in-company communication. Used to have a private newserver for our employees with names like .customer.help .hr.questions and so on. Was super useful until someone decided to try to put all the things in Outlook.

> Btw... Usenet was incredible for in-company communication. Used to have a private newserver for our employees with names like .customer.help .hr.questions and so on. Was super useful until someone decided to try to put all the things in Outlook.

Jon Udell's 1999 book "Practical Internet Groupware" was an excellent resource on how to set up this sort of infrastructure by gluing together various protocols:

https://g.co/kgs/ExEfcX

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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You should definitely get rid of whatever is being used currently. The first group I randomly clicked (alt.alien.visitors) was censoring the word "public" (and "sucks" and "pipe"), multiple times in the same post which, if it happens a lot, especially on innocuous words, is really going to spoil what is an excellent project. Its not a bad idea to filter content though, and/or have a flag button on threads/posts. 300…

I've removed the filtering.

Thanks. Much appreciated. This way we get to experience the colorful humans in full.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Hm this is making me feel old... because I used to frequent certain music newsgroups around 1995-2002, and the earliest one they have is from 2003. https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=rec.music.makers.p... Google does have some from 1998. It is this weird mix of people from 2016 replying to threads from 1998. The organization is very confusing which I'm sure contributes to the low quality. https://groups.google…

Wow this, is an insane life story: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/drum-and-drummer-643105... This guy was apparently a genius drummer as a young man -- jammed with Jaco Pastorius, and a friend of John Medeski. Then a bodybuilder, steroid user (when it was legal), convicted felon, a sufferer of chronic illness, and epic Usenet flamewar participant. And deceased since 2012, but people still flame him on Usenet. h…

The saying is you die twice - once when you stop breathing and again, a bit later on, when people stop flaming you on usenet ;_)

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> pure spam I think this is what really did usenet in for me. I used to use newsgroups quite a bit in the early 2000s, then moved on to forums, and then of course social media took over (and now I'm substantially over that). Given that usenet is now past its popular heyday, I thought it would also be past the peak of spam - and it probably is - but having just registered with eternal-september.org, I'm still pretty s…

Wait?... people still spam there? Figured they had moved on long ago for better targets.... They must make some amount of money from it or they would not bother.

Surprised me too. I guess they must be, although I can't believe it's that much. I imagine probably the reason it still happens is that it's incredibly low effort and so therefore worth it even for meagre gains.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Others have covered what Usenet was. To further give you an idea of how different those times were, here is my email address from the signature on one of my Usenet posts from the '80s: ihnp4!{cithep,wlbr!callan}!tim What that meant was that to get an email to me, your computer should arrange to deliver it to ihnp4. That was the name of a machine at a Bell Labs office at a place named "Indian Hill" in Naperville, IL.…

Re: "different times", VAX sysadmins in those days of "bang-bang" addresses were like telegraph offices. We didn't yet have what we called "glass teletypes", so we would "post" to a newsgroup by writing the post on paper and posting it in the sysadmin's inbox (an actual box). He would type it in sometime during the day, and our leased-line connection would exchange messages with MIT several times a day. Each morning,…

Thank you for sharing that. Amazing times!

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> what Usenet was Usenet is still around, I still read it most days, with trn. Most newsgroups are either dead or pure spam, but some are active with real content.

> pure spam I think this is what really did usenet in for me. I used to use newsgroups quite a bit in the early 2000s, then moved on to forums, and then of course social media took over (and now I'm substantially over that). Given that usenet is now past its popular heyday, I thought it would also be past the peak of spam - and it probably is - but having just registered with eternal-september.org, I'm still pretty s…

Same.

I loved USENET. Threaded discussion is intoxicating. I learned and shared a lot.

Came back after the spam waves to visit some retro computing groups. A few are active. Cool. Low spam.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#269

Folks, I am the guy behind this project. A friend of mine mentioned he saw the site mentioned on hacker news, so I came to check it out. If you have any questions for me, don't hesitate to ask, as time permits (and two little boys), I'll do my best to answer them.

I could have sworn I did this 9 years ago. :-) http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/announcing_olduse.net/

Did you find additional utzoo material beyond what was already on archive.org in tarballs?

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Nice to see Gen X mentioned. In the several years, the media has mentioned only Boomers, Millennials, and Gen Z. It’s like Gen X is the lost generation.

Apparently before the name "Generation X" stuck, one of the proposed names was "New Lost Generation".

Gen X here. Apt
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