Sometimes it feels like riot is being sabotaged from the inside.
Maybe they could have renamed it Agent Provocateur. Still a better name than Element.
Riot is now Element
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually don't like "Signal" either, because it's such a common word that it makes it hard to search for it online. "Telegram" is marginally better, since original telegrams are not very relevant today. But yeah Element is arguably even worse, it's a super common noun and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with communication. But in the end these naming discussions are always going to end up as bikeshedding. If…
This name is not mediocre, it's sub par. It's not searchable, memorable on its own or memorable in relation to what it's for. You need at least one of those.
In the post they described searchability as one of the strenghts, as the top hits were dictionary link. They also said they're currently #4 for Riot, proving the viability of "dictionary names." As far as memorability, the whole Element in Matrix network is a little corny/convoluted to me, but oh well.
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#263No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…
Agreed. This is an absolutely horrible name that I'm sure was chosen by poll or committee.
What was wrong with Riot anyway? It wasn't the best name but it was known. Most name changes are mistakes.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does "whatsapp" sound like messaging? or "Skype"? or "Slack"? or "IRC"?
IRC = internet relay chat chat does sound like messaging Skype sounds like a made up word. Nothing wrong with that.
Also (as far as I know) the term "IRC" wasn't created as a product name intended to represent the protocol/service to potential customers. It was just an abbreviated descriptor of what it was.
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Toshiba, Mercedes, IBM, Microsoft, ycombinator, and my humble employer is Twilio. That is 10 seconds of names off the top of my head. I guess Mercedes is often shortened to Benz.
Microsoft = MS IBM = Big Blue Ycombinator = YC Toshiba = Toshi off the top of my head ;) Not sure about Twilio, but upon first scan with my old eyes I wanted to read it as 'twillow'
. o O ( ellie the element )
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#266Speaking of names, I'm upset that the username I go by is taken. I'm echelon @ { gmail, HN, Twitter, Github, Gitlab, Square Cash, etc }, but found Riot / Matrix just a few months too late to get my username. I'm not satisfied with the "just stand up your own server" response as an alternative. I know it's cutting off my nose, but I've avoided using it because of this. I'm OCD about stupid usernames. I wish unused use…
Brandon, why do you make it trivial to find your identity and trace your activities all across the internet? Consider using a different name everywhere for improved privacy.
I'm not trying to be anonymous.
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#267If you dislike the new name, branding, or user experience, instead of arguing over why or why not it is a good decision, I'd encourage you to get yourself involved and be that change. Before the rebrand, or even any talk user experience and design from Element (Riot), I didn't want to wait and started working on a privacy centric matrix client that focused on branding and user experience. I managed to get E2EE workin…
Wow, this is slick. I'm sure there's a lot of work to be done, but how far along is cross-signing at this point?
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#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
For any other confused Americans: Git is a term of insult with origins in English denoting an unpleasant, silly, incompetent, annoying, senile, elderly or childish person. As a mild oath it is roughly on a par with prat and marginally less pejorative than berk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang)
One of the best pranks I've seen is people getting endorsed for git on LinkedIn, from coworkers who don't think quite so high of them as pretended during office hours.
> coworkers who don't think quite so high of them as pretended during office hours
Sounds malicious.
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#269One problem with "Element" is its potential for confusion with other, similarly-named tech products, such as: - Adobe Photoshop Elements - Adobe Premiere Elements - Elementor, one of the more popular WordPress plugins - Element UI, a Vue 2.0 based component library - Elements XS, GIS-centric asset management software There's even an IT company named Element Technologies: https://www.ele-ment.com/ (no affiliation).
There's also a prominent apparel/skateboarding company named Element which has been around for decades and is the top search result for "element" for me.
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#270No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…
Whatsapp can be an extremely confusing name for non-native English speakers. I'm from Spain and I think 90% of the time I see it written in Spain, it's written wrong (wassap, whasapp, wuatsapp, whatsap, watsap, wuassap, wuassapp, whatsup, watsup, etc.). Sometimes a phonetically "transliterated" version is used instead, like "guasap", which I find more tolerable because at least then it becomes a genuine Spanish word,…
As a pedantic native English speaker, the name "WhatsApp" has always irritated me somehow. It's just not nice. There's an apostrophe missing, it's two words with intermediate capitalization and no space, "App" in the name of an app is redundant, the "pun" is a bit dumb (does it even really qualify as a pun?)...
But it's clearly worked out well for them, so I guess it's a good thing people like me weren't involved in their naming. shrug