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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by lowmemcpu »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #30
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

For someone who has mostly sat on the sidelines of these debates, the coordination is really disturbing. Who is pulling the strings here?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by sparkie »

erichocean wrote: post #225
devmunchies wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not a free society. there are lots of laws and regulations in place. Saying this is a free country is a useless platitude. Gab (twitter alternative) was just blacklisted by Visa last week. There is no recourse. What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? https://news.gab.com/2020/06/19/gab-blacklisted-by-visa/

> What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? Why would racist Whites stop there? Pretty soon they'll want to build their own governments: literal White nationalism. Republicans are already talking about secession in a positive light… To protect minorities, the 2nd Amendment has to be gutted as much as possible before that kind of thing happens, even if we must seriously bend the existing C…

> Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime

Can you not see the new loophole? Simply convict anybody we don't want owning a firearm of a made up misdemeanour or hate crime. 2A BTFO.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by smnthermes »

evanlivingston wrote: post #14
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

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I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Perhaps there is an association between strongly supporting principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Or perhaps the far-right just has the habit to coopt members of others groups. Not only free market supporters, e.g. Sara Winter and Carla Zambelli were from the feminist group FEMEN, and nowadays are Bolsonaro supporters.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by snowwrestler »

nradov wrote: post #136
rickbutton wrote: post #27

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Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

The pressure is more directly from advertisers. Major consumer brands don't want their advertisements appearing next to objectionable user generated content.

Why not? Because their customers don't like it either.

It all comes down to what is popular and unpopular--which is fine in a marketplace. That's exactly how marketplaces are supposed to work.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by logarhythmic »

nordsieck wrote: post #249
naasking wrote: post #189

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> “While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.” So according to this rule, a racial minority can call members of a "majority race" sub-human, but not vice-versa. And yet, majority/minority are regional properties. How do you know a redditor's re…

> So according to this rule, a racial minority can call members of a "majority race" sub-human, but not vice-versa. According to academia, this is correct: racism only exists in the context of class based oppression. Of course, many people disagree with this definition.

I don't know how widespread this belief is but I personally know people who believe this and it seems to be only spreading in the current heavily polarized environment. It is truly astonishing to witness

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by erichocean »

sparkie wrote: post #262
erichocean wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What, should these people build their own consumer credit company too? Why would racist Whites stop there? Pretty soon they'll want to build their own governments: literal White nationalism. Republicans are already talking about secession in a positive light… To protect minorities, the 2nd Amendment has to be gutted as much as possible before that kind of thing happens, even if we must seriously bend the existing C…

> Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime Can you not see the new loophole? Simply convict anybody we don't want owning a firearm of a made up misdemeanour or hate crime. 2A BTFO.

> 2A BTFO

Right? Incredibly clever, and I think that kind of precedent can be taken much further by the courts if they had any kind of backbone...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by throwanem »

whymauri wrote: post #83
gotoeleven wrote: post #57

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Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? The problem isn't the color, the problem is the nationalism.

Hasn't black nationalism been essentially dead since the Black Panther party collapsed? You talk about as if it were as immediately dangerous as white nationalism, but I'm not sure it is.

It isn't, but pretending that 70s Kodachrome black nationalism is the same as 1080p60 white supremacism is a useful lie as long as you're talking to somebody who doesn't know any of the history involved.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] »

dogma1138 wrote: post #127
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #107

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They did not ban racist subreddits like /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/fragilewhiteredditor. If you don't know, to post on /r/blackpeopletwitter you have to send a photo of your skin color to the moderators. They are literally racially segregating users.

“While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.” https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc...

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by hailwren »

lowmemcpu wrote: post #261
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #30

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It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

For someone who has mostly sat on the sidelines of these debates, the coordination is really disturbing. Who is pulling the strings here?

I'm sure it was done in coordination with the advertisers that pulled their ads. Probably a group coordination between the companies and groups like the Anti-Defamation League, the NAACP, Sleeping Giants, Color of Change, Free Press and Common Sense that spearheaded the original advertising blackout.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by naasking »

masklinn wrote: post #120
ars wrote: post #73

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I'm not sure what you are watching, but I have never been funneled to anything even remotely like that. YT sends you videos based on your watch history. If you watch hate videos to see what kind of stuff people are saying then you should delete them from your history to avoid YT finding you more.

Multiple experiments have demonstrated that as you follow recommendations it drives you more and more towards extreme content. If you don’t follow recs it obviously has no “drive” to keep you on as you’re not following the journey. Basically the recommendations system always tries to drive you towards slightly more “engaging” content. Zeynep Tufekci, amongst others, published about it back in 2018.

What experiments are you referring to? All the data I've seen has not shown any sort of "progression" towards more extremes like you're describing, but often shows the opposite.

Let's look at some real data from [1], which provides a breakdown of how impressions flow between channels. By using the panel on the left side, you can look at specific political leanings. If you pick the left/center/rightdrop down, you'll see that right-wing impressions flow into to more left-wing impressions than right-wing.

In fact, if you pick pretty much any position on the left panel, it looks like impressions from more extreme content flows into more impressions for less extreme content.

[1] https://pyt.azureedge.net/

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