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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by anewvillager »

pjc50 wrote: post #202
sneak wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. I dislike that subreddit as much as anyone, but that’s guilt by peaceful association and can be leveled at a lot of different websites, video games, and political parties. Let’s not go there.

> can be leveled at a lot of different websites, video games, and political parties. Everyone - every signle website, author, pundit, politician, etc who finds themselves mentioned favourably in a mass shooter manifesto should at least ask themselves how they got there and what has gone wrong with their messaging. There may not be anything they can do, but a lot of places seem to think that hate never leads to action…

Self-reflection is important, but sometimes people are just crazy.

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Post by krapp »

belltaco wrote: post #252
seoulmetro wrote: post #248

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Actually that's the opposite of a healthy response. There's no reason to investigate why someone likes something unless it played an active role in the thing that is being investigated. Asking yourself why Joe Dirt liked listening to your podcast about cats and listed it on his BAD THING manifesto is truly at the polar opposite end of what normal people would do. They would definitely not feel concerned that he liste…

>I bet a lot of people like doughnuts. Just because they might write that in something when they get infamous does not make a doughnut shop question their actions. Are you seriously implying that hanging out and posting on 8chan,Voat, or alt-right subs is similar to eating doughnuts when it comes to race motivated mass shootings? Even with just the raw probability numbers it's off by many orders of magnitude. Eating…

But those sites are all just being racist ironically, which lets them off the hook. There are no actual racists anywhere on the internet - everyone is just a bored teenager posting edgelord memes and role-playing.

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Post by superkuh »

wtallis wrote: post #206
superkuh wrote: post #192

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If you think shitposting is a "bad" thing that should invoke bans you're a little bit out of touch with the web jargon.

What obscure and/or twisted definition of "shitposting" are you operating under where you don't see it as bad for a forum that's intended to foster civilized discussion? If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place?

> If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place?

That's a totally legit argument. People shouldn't. But as someone that was on reddit from 2008 on there were a few years were it wasn't corporate run and actually celebrated free speech in both words and policy. Then that changed. I stopped. But network effect keeps groups there.

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Post by ratsmack »

swebs wrote: post #151

So I tried to visit https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ to see what the fuss is about, but apparently Reddit wants me to jump through hoops to give them my email to even be able to view it. Is there any archive site or whatever that will let me view this subreddit without giving reddit my personal information?

You can use this link:

https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/

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Post by sixstringtheory »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #257
sixstringtheory wrote: post #214

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What’s your point? That because in theory you might have been able to say something without losing your head before the US constitution existed, that suddenly we should apply constraints meant only for the government to private entities or citizens? Seems like a non sequitur to me.

It's funny how pro-capitalistic people get here when this comes up. Everyone here is big government, anti-censorship, pro-speech, pro-decentralization, anti-corporation UNTIL conservatives are targeted. As a conservative (libertarian) yes, legally speaking they can do whatever they want, but morally speaking, it's fucked up. Ironic the quote below now applies to the opposite side. ---- First they came for the Sociali…

I see nothing wrong with it according to my morals. Maybe you could expand on what moral system would force people to interact with trolls. And I’m surprised to hear from a self-avowed libertarian that doesn’t seem to have heard of the concept of freedom of association.

The “they” in that poem refers to the Nazi government. Reddit is not a government. It is people having discussions on a website run by a company. Everyone has a choice of whether or not to use it; not so with the Nazi regime.

Have you never had to throw unruly people out of a house party? If not, well then lucky you, but that’s basically what’s being done here.

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Post by wtallis »

ALittleLight wrote: post #223
wtallis wrote: post #211

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You're still spinning it unfairly, by leaving out relevant information. It was a pranking attempt that fell flat, and was neither intended to nor successful in having the effect of surreptitiously turning T_D users against each other. The admin in question quickly admitted to the deed and explained his motives. Attributing other, conflicting motives without further justification is misleading at best.

It's interesting that you believe you can interpret the motives of others (it was just a prank!) But you object to other people's interpretations. And what a coincidence, your interpretations align with your prior beliefs. Regardless, I think the facts are clear - reddit administrators altered the communication of users such that they appeared to be insulting the moderators of their subreddit. You think it was a "pra…

> It's interesting that you believe you can interpret the motives of others (it was just a prank!) But you object to other people's interpretations. And what a coincidence, your interpretations align with your prior beliefs.

It's interesting that you're still lying about the subject, and calling it my interpretation instead of acknowledging the fact that it's the admin's own professed motives, not ones I am inventing for the purposes of attributing to him.

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Post by wtallis »

derision wrote: post #222
charwalker wrote: post #194

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Similary the conservative subreddit has a rule stating it is not a debate platform and dissent or debate will be removed. It's an echo chamber of self-victimization that probably sees the Youtube case earlier this week on first amendment application as both a win for private companies and a loss of what they consider their right to free speech.

The same echo chambers exist on the left. I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations. The "I am once again asking for your financial support" meme perfectly captures this.

> I was banned almost immediately from the Bernie subreddit for asking why he's running on a platform of getting money out of politics while at the same time being the most aggressive campaign when it comes to requesting donations.

It seems like you were rightly banned for being deliberately obtuse. Pretending that there's no difference between grassroots small money donations and the kind of money that Sanders wants to eliminate from politics is straight up trolling. Even if you believe that both categories need to be eliminated, you didn't start with anything resembling a lead-in to a reasonable discussion on the matter.

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

CriticalCathed wrote: post #62
bmarquez wrote: post #28

This is incredibly disturbing, in light of the fact Reddit's CEO was once caught secretly editing[1] the comments of The Donald's users. Can't assume this is being done in good faith as the comments leading The Donald to be quarantined could be edits, or shill accounts. I'm sure someone will say "their website, their rules" but in that case it's better to just ban it entirely instead of engaging in subversive practic…

Disturbing? I don't think so. I subscribe to the_donald because I want to keep up with what the nutters are saying. Yesterday I reported a post where they had photshopped out the dots in the " i "s in all of Mike Bloomberg's ads and replaced them with the star of david. That's just yesterday. And just one post that caught my eye. And it was one of the top posts of the day with thousands and thousands of votes and hun…

It's not photoshopped, you're just sensitive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/bloomberg-anti-semitis...

Your one example is wrong. Maybe you have the wrong idea of the other side? Maybe your bias blinds your judgement and you hate what you don't understand? Certainly seems that way. We can all find hate when we look for it.

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Post by s9w »

Traster wrote: post #21

I find it kind of funny that people are getting so excited. Reddit has long had a policy of banning users who breach the site rules. /r/The_donald has long had a policy of breaching site rules including brigading, harassment, threats and sharing personal information. The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. Given how often the breaches occur it seems quite reasonable to actually step in…

That's a lie and almost the complete opposite of reality

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Post by s9w »

maverick2007 wrote: post #7

I personally think that this article buried the lede as far as controversial Reddit actions go. Users now can be (and have been) banned for upvoting posts in quarantined subreddits (both on the right - T_D - and the left - Chapo Trap House - among others). I've seen controversy erupt all around Reddit about this and it doesn't feel right to me. If the content that people are upvoting is bad enough to get banned over…

Punishing users for voting the wrong things was actually invented on HN as far as I know
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