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Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by charwalker »

mrits wrote: post #91

What is really happening is reddit is just taking over all the most popular subreddits. They want to control the main vibe of the site. Understandable for a corporation but not in line with the original idea of the founders.

This sub is popular among a small group but overall despised by the community. It openly flaunts the site rules and promotes content that draws a black eye from media attention. The current moves are though to be aimed at stifling the sub until it dies off vs a full ban as that would quickly draw headiness even though Youtube got the legal go ahead vs free speech rights just this week.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by pjc50 »

sneak wrote: post #135
Traster wrote: post #21

I find it kind of funny that people are getting so excited. Reddit has long had a policy of banning users who breach the site rules. /r/The_donald has long had a policy of breaching site rules including brigading, harassment, threats and sharing personal information. The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. Given how often the breaches occur it seems quite reasonable to actually step in…

> The users of that forum have literally been linked to public shootings. I dislike that subreddit as much as anyone, but that’s guilt by peaceful association and can be leveled at a lot of different websites, video games, and political parties. Let’s not go there.

> can be leveled at a lot of different websites, video games, and political parties.

Everyone - every signle website, author, pundit, politician, etc who finds themselves mentioned favourably in a mass shooter manifesto should at least ask themselves how they got there and what has gone wrong with their messaging. There may not be anything they can do, but a lot of places seem to think that hate never leads to action.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by wtallis »

defertoreptar wrote: post #189
wtallis wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My point is how this will favor Reddit's political majority and disfavor the minority. If you cannot support a political position without consistently violating Reddit's rules that do not restrict any normal behaviors of reasonable political debate, then what you're supporting probably shouldn't be described merely as a "political minority".

Your assumption here is that the enforcement of the new rule will be executed perfectly and without bias, and further that people will believe it will be enforced that way. This totally misses my central point.

> Your assumption here is that the enforcement of the new rule will be executed perfectly and without bias,

Not at all. Even if Reddit was completely biased and never enforced the rules against liberal-oriented cesspools, that wouldn't make T_D's current norms and behaviors any more acceptable.

The only problem is if you believe that Reddit will go far beyond their stated content rules and start punishing civilized discourse on the basis of political alignment. That would have a damaging chilling effect, but I think it's pretty clear Reddit has their hands full with rebellious mods and users who aren't even trying to stay within the posted rules and are making plenty of posts that really should be removed no matter where you fall on the spectrum of political beliefs.

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Post by ArchReaper »

benmmurphy wrote: post #154
s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. It's plastered all over not to brigade. NP links are required to prevent it. Ironically T_D deals with brigading from other subs all the time. The mods at T_D have followed every rule to the tee. Other subs are not expected to control all of their users, but at least to enforce the site rules, T_D mods have done this. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Guilty until proven innocent if we want to u…

I suspect this is a case of an isolated demand for rigor. It’s quite difficult to have a political reddit with 700,000 subscribers and not have comments or post being made that break the rules. Especially when there are strong incentives for people to use alts to make false flag posts. I strongly doubt r/the_donald is being fairly treated by reddit when most of the admin team has a fundamental objection to the sub’s…

> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users.

This is inaccurate - it was very clearly not intended to 'create discord between users' and claiming that it was is at best politically biased and at worse a lie.

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Post by dwild »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #160
ArchReaper wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have links at the ready, but I have seen multiple instances of TD brigading with pinned topics. I am not saying I know for a fact it has happened recently, but it has happened. I don't blame you for wanting evidence, but their track record doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

The nerve you have to accuse, then say you don't have links of proof, then demand links of proof from me when I say I've seen brigading. They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable. Neither side can say who is brigading for sure but only one side is getting banned. The sanders subreddits and /r/politics brigading is prevalent from what I've seen. Hell, it was an issue on one of…

> They are both anecdotal and yet you feel like yours is right and mine is laughable.

Aren't you doing that too right now?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by wtallis »

superkuh wrote: post #192
wtallis wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is pretty clearly trying to find any viable alternative to outright banning T_D. They're attempting a proof by exhaustion that the community will not cooperate with any viable moderation policy. They're rightly afraid to just pull the trigger and delete the whole subreddit. There's also some chance that they can get the community in its current form to die in a more organic and less sudden manner, by expunging…

If you think shitposting is a "bad" thing that should invoke bans you're a little bit out of touch with the web jargon.

What obscure and/or twisted definition of "shitposting" are you operating under where you don't see it as bad for a forum that's intended to foster civilized discussion?

If you want shitposting, why would you ever choose a platform that has moderation and content guidelines in the first place?

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by blackflame7000 »

wtallis wrote: post #179
benmmurphy wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect this is a case of an isolated demand for rigor. It’s quite difficult to have a political reddit with 700,000 subscribers and not have comments or post being made that break the rules. Especially when there are strong incentives for people to use alts to make false flag posts. I strongly doubt r/the_donald is being fairly treated by reddit when most of the admin team has a fundamental objection to the sub’s…

> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. Do you really feel that's a fair summary of what happened, in spite of the discussion of that incident elsewhere in this thread?

It's an extremely fair piece of information to use when trying to decide just how impartial the Reddit Admins are.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #140
bovermyer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am continually amazed at how many people believe that "free speech" applies to anything other than the government. No government agency is allowed to impede free speech (with a handful of exceptions). This rule does not apply to any other organization.

Free speech isn't limited to the government. The government may be the only entity legally obligated to uphold it, but we can still be unhappy when others elect to suppress it.

You can be unhappy, absolutely. But you still don’t get to dictate what reddit does or to what their users should be subjected.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by wtallis »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #207
wtallis wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. Do you really feel that's a fair summary of what happened, in spite of the discussion of that incident elsewhere in this thread?

It's an extremely fair piece of information to use when trying to decide just how impartial the Reddit Admins are.

It's fair to consider as evidence of potential bias or lack of professional restraint, but only if you aren't lying about what actually went down.

Re: Reddit purges 1/2 of The Donald’s moderators – replaces them with approved mods

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Post by ALittleLight »

ArchReaper wrote: post #204
benmmurphy wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect this is a case of an isolated demand for rigor. It’s quite difficult to have a political reddit with 700,000 subscribers and not have comments or post being made that break the rules. Especially when there are strong incentives for people to use alts to make false flag posts. I strongly doubt r/the_donald is being fairly treated by reddit when most of the admin team has a fundamental objection to the sub’s…

> For example the CEO edited user’s messages in the r/the_donald to try and create discord between users. This is inaccurate - it was very clearly not intended to 'create discord between users' and claiming that it was is at best politically biased and at worse a lie.

I just googled it and it seems like he changed messages that were insulting him to insult moderators of the subreddit. The parent's comment doesn't seem wrong to me, if that's true. He altered communications of reddit users to make it look like they were insulting reddit moderators, in such a way as to falsely attribute those insults to the original authors.
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