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Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by NhanH »

tcoff91 wrote: post #237
NhanH wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since all programming jobs deal with trees and recursion, and if you are already at Google working on another team, wouldn't it mean you already know about those (since our assumption being all jobs deal with those)? Why not just check directly if you were actually useful instead?

It's 100% not true that all programming jobs deal with trees. I worked for years on a major audio/video/screensharing communications SaaS product and never once needed to write recursive code or use a tree structure. Not all code is for processing data. There was tons of code that had very little to do with data structures or algorithms, and much more to do with implementing network protocols, business logic, managin…

I was just taking GP's statement and shows that it is not consistent with the rest of his argument.

I don't agree that all jobs have to deal with trees either.

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Post by zelly »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Populism is in the air. Don't bet that tech innovation is the antidote. WWII taught us that technology and liberalism are mutually independent. In SV, technology and liberalism happen to coincide, but they don't have to.

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

zelly wrote: post #263
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Populism is in the air. Don't bet that tech innovation is the antidote. WWII taught us that technology and liberalism are mutually independent. In SV, technology and liberalism happen to coincide, but they don't have to.

> Populism is in the air. Don't bet that tech innovation is the antidote.

I strongly agree with this. But there is a response to everything and companies don't operate in a vacuum. I'm not suggesting that SCION is our version of "let's build a wall and make Americans pay for it".

Apart from protecting regional interests (which is just 1), SCION has too many advantages that let operators/carriers monetize on, to be ignored.

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Post by noelwelsh »

stupidcar wrote: post #244
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

The feeling into "fact" flow: Step 1) "I don't like thing" Step 2) "I really wish thing didn't exist." Step 3) "Thing is probably dying/dead." Step 4) "If event happened, it would really show thing is dying/dead." Step 5) "Event can happen." Step 6) "Event will happen." Step 7) "Event is happening!" Step 8) "Events 1, 2 and 3 can/will/are happening which forms a narrative proving thing is dying/dead." Have you consid…

This response is just rude and adds nothing to the discussion.

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Post by PrivateRepo »

dewey wrote: post #255
corentin88 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen That seems extremely unlikely, the products that Google shuts down from time to time are usually not products that make money. GCP is a whole different beast with SLAs, paying customers, huge corporations using it. It also wouldn't make sense to give up the position as one of the few big cloud hosters.

It will start making sense when Google stops shelling out a comparatively-high level of free credits for every new deal. They’re subsidizing their own users to game market share numbers, and at some point the funding to do this will have slow (unless they find out that it actually converts evals to year over year clients).

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DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

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Post by Macha »

discordance wrote: post #91
wyclif wrote: post #61

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So...it's kind of like being Big Head working at Hooli? Hanging out on the roof, or building potato guns and piezoelectric sensors?

This practice isn’t uncommon. In some cases, I’ve seen FAANGMs give people up to 6 months of ‘window viewing’ time to find new jobs

After a recent merger at my employer, had some people in of the teams at my office with very little responsibilities for most of a year. The first six months they had minimal work because the company hadn't told them yet they were dropping them for a competing team on the other side of the merger, then they did inform them and gave them 3 months to find a new role in the company and apart from the odd production incident on their system, there was basically no work incoming to their former team.

I think 3-4 moved within the company, 3 left on their own time before the deadline, and 4 waited out for the redundancy payment.

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Post by PedroBatista »

manigandham wrote: post #232
caro_douglos wrote: post #226

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Vacation is a great thing. Properly setup PTO policies are better. Eventually you reach a point where accrued time ceilings force you to take a vacation. That’s typically too late from a burnout perspective. IMO unlimited vacation is simply a sugar coated way to not keep track of time off. Out of curiosity have you kept track of how many days you’ve taken off?

The company keeps track to make sure people take off the minimum amount. After that take off as much as you need. I don’t keep track but I’ve taken off a day every other week for months. Comes down to company culture and how healthy and focused it is.

It also keeps track of the “maximum amount”. Don’t fool yourself :)

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Post by Zhuzhu2020 »

mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

So the people working on GCP are easily replaceable? Why not hire outstanding talent instead?
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