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Re: iPadOS

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Post by xpe »

simonh wrote: post #219
luckydata wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably weren't doing any work and just using the iPad to watch and read stuff. It's made for that.

Maybe they’re mostly used for that, but ‘made for that’ is just not true. Apple has consistently, right from the start marketed it as a productivity and creative device, even emphasising iWork apps in the launch presentation and releasing Garage Band for it a few months after launch. They’ve consistently highlighted creative apps for the iPad year after year. For me, my iPad is m primary creative device, by far. I wr…

What do you use for (a) coding and (b) keyboard?

Re: iPadOS

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Post by zozbot234 »

penagwin wrote: post #40
ogre_codes wrote: post #31

When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead. When you compare it to MacOS and Windows 10 which run on 8-10 year old hardware, not as much. Of course how good Windows support is for that older hardware depends largely on OEMs and driver support and varies greatly. Linux can run on 20 year old hardware... or older?

Since apple markets their ipados for productivity as an alternative to a MacBook or a windows laptop - I'm not sure Linux can really be included. Simply put - Linux has never been focused on tablet UI UX or that kind of productivity, it's not a technical limitation sure but there's literally 0 polish on any kind of "streamlined tablet experience"

> Simply put - Linux has never been focused on tablet UI UX or that kind of productivity

Used to be true but not any longer; recent versions of GNOME 3 are now quite usable on tablets (and touch-screen enabled laptops) as long as the bare hardware support is there. Sure, this is largely a side effect of Librem's work on smartphone UX support, but the effect is quite real nonetheless. And Linux on a tablet can achieve things that are quite hard or even impossible on other "mobile-ready" OS's.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by ogre_codes »

soup10 wrote: post #86
nostromo wrote: post #55

I've tried to use these desktop-inspired features on iPad and they are befuddling. Using two apps at once is beyond confusing. A simple use case, like copying an address from a Safari tab into Gmail via split screen requires so many mysterious, undiscoverable gestures, I doubt almost anyone is doing that. I think Jobs was right that convergence between workstations and mobile devices requires too many sacrifices, at…

they are trying to hard to force gestures and touch controls, just support wireless mouses

These are different things.

You should first and foremost be able to do everything on the iPad (or any touch device) with touch and/ or gestures. As soon as you require a mouse (or stylus, trackpad/ whatever) on a tablet you've screwed up. The whole beauty of a tablet is in its portability. Having to rely on a mouse or trackpad screws that up.

That said, mouse support for the iPad can and absolutely should be much better. Just never a requirement.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

luckydata wrote: post #230
simonh wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they’re mostly used for that, but ‘made for that’ is just not true. Apple has consistently, right from the start marketed it as a productivity and creative device, even emphasising iWork apps in the launch presentation and releasing Garage Band for it a few months after launch. They’ve consistently highlighted creative apps for the iPad year after year. For me, my iPad is m primary creative device, by far. I wr…

Apple can say a lot of stuff, doesn't make it true.

The OP literally just told you stuff they're creating on the iPad. I get we should be cynical of marketing-speak and all, but "it is possible to create real things on the iPad" is not just marketing speak, it's stuff people who are actually creating real things on the iPad have been saying for years.

I'm currently kind of down on my iPad due to travails using it for writing screenplays (long story, not that interesting), but I have used it for creating -- and presenting -- slideshows to large audiences, writing multiple articles and publishing them directly to WordPress and Medium sites, creating technical diagrams for my office, writing a 110,000-word novel, doing revisions (change tracking and comments) on other people's novels, touching up photographs, doing GitHub reviews, on and on. There are people who edit successful podcasts with Ferrite, edit multitrack 4K video with Luma Fusion, on and on and on.

iPads are tricky-to-useless for most development work currently and that tends, for obvious reasons, to be a major limitation for HN's main demographic. But that doesn't make the iPad "just for watching videos". To claim that it's not capable of being used for a wide range of real work is either ignorant or trolling.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by peatmoss »

alistairSH wrote: post #197
peatmoss wrote: post #46

Anyone here familiar with photo management know what the likely implications of the new USB storage support are? My elderly mother has gotten into photography in the past few years and shoots with what I assume is a prosumer camera (high-ish resolution, swappable lenses). The Windows laptop she plugs into is a disaster waiting to happen, in that I’m pretty sure nothing is properly backed up. I think she also barely u…

Two questions... does she use Lightroom or another photo editing/management tool? Does she shoot raw, or just jpg? If she isn't using Lightroom or shooting raw, the siblings cover it. Just use Apple Photos with iCloud backup. If she wants most of the photos in full-size on local disk, buy the largest capacity iPad you can. If she is using Lightroom, they have their own cloud storage that is included (or discounted?)…

I think she shoots in JPG because of memory budget. A family friend talked her into buying some kind of photo management / photo touch-up application (can’t remember its name), but I think it mostly just makes her angry because it took over as the default handler for photos on her computer, and her computer is too old and slow to run the software acceptably.

How seamless is the iCloud backup when the total volume of pictures is greater than the local storage? Does the photos app smartly fetch the full photo as needed?

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Post by keerthiko »

markstos wrote: post #128
ckastner wrote: post #44

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> When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead Google keeps their own hardware updated quite well, I liked the monthly security updates. With regards to the rest of the tablet market, basically only Samsung and Lenovo are left, and Samsung lost me as a customer a long time ago. I've been looking at the iPad Air 3 recently and while it looks nice, I just fell in love wi…

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

? Google devices receive Android updates well into 5+ years. I had a Nexus 4 (2013) running Android 8.1 (2017-2018).

I also belive Android tends to have fewer breaking OS changes that render modern apps incapable of running on both older and newer OS versions, compared to iOS, so it's significantly worse for usability on iOS with a device that is ~4+ years old.

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Post by innocentoldguy »

nostromo wrote: post #55

I've tried to use these desktop-inspired features on iPad and they are befuddling. Using two apps at once is beyond confusing. A simple use case, like copying an address from a Safari tab into Gmail via split screen requires so many mysterious, undiscoverable gestures, I doubt almost anyone is doing that. I think Jobs was right that convergence between workstations and mobile devices requires too many sacrifices, at…

I used split-screen and some of the other desktop-oriented features in iOS 12.x and they were OK but not great. I think iPadOS has really polished these. Split screen is a lot easier to use, as are copy/paste/undo.

Of course, the apps you use have to support these new features. There are some, like Kindle, that don't work well at all.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by jonny_eh »

username3 wrote: post #207
dallen33 wrote: post #18

The list of supported devices is impressive. The iPad Air 2 came out in 2014. 12.9-inch iPad Pro 11-inch iPad Pro 10.5-inch iPad Pro 9.7-inch iPad Pro iPad (7th generation) iPad (6th generation) iPad (5th generation) iPad mini (5th generation) iPad mini 4 iPad Air (3rd generation) iPad Air 2

iPad Air 2 users beware. An iPadOS update made my iPad 1 useless and crash all the time.

I've been using the 13.1 beta on my iPad Air 2 for a couple days and it has been fine.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

ehsankia wrote: post #251
markstos wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite well? Google abandons their phones after three years and repair options are limited compared to Apple. Apple has been supplying software updates for their phones for five years lately. On the plus side for Google phones, they are able to run third-party ROMs when Google quits supporting them.

Pixel 1 just received the Q updates and is still getting security update. Are you comparing premium Apple built phones against 400$ nexus phones which were co-made by Google just to have a vanilla device for development? Nexus line was never meant to be a high-end phone with good support.

Even Apple's $400 phone has been supported longer than the Nexus 4 was.

Re: iPadOS

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Post by close04 »

simonh wrote: post #126
savoytruffle wrote: post #28

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It supports iPads with an A8 series chip, while iOS 13 does not support such iPhones (which would be a 5S). It's presumably because the iPads of the same CPU generation usually have more RAM, more CPU cores, more GPU cores.

It’s almost certainly memory. All the supported devices have at least 2GB RAM. The iPhone 6 had the A8 with 1GB RAM and is not supported by iOS 13. The iPad Air 2 has the A8X with 2GB RAM and is supported by iPadOS 13. In the past the break on unsupported older devices has been down to hardware. Usually memory, but also on the 64bit transition. I’m not aware of a single break in support that wasn’t determined by hard…

The A8X also has a substantially faster CPU than the A8 (3 vs. 2 cores and 1.5GHz vs. 1.1GHz) and a much faster GPU (2-3 times faster). This would make a visible difference in day to day usage even without the RAM limitation. This is probably also what made the difference when implementing the multitasking features.
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