How many times do we have to go over this?
Until it's fixed. The beatings will continue until morale improves. My hope is apple engineers cringe at every one of these threads (or share in the solidarity)
MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy
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#262I switched to a Thinkpad after I had the horror of using a new Macbook. Running Ubuntu is lovely, so much so that for a developer there is little reason to be using a Macbook anymore. You can get a lot more bang for the buck using a Thinkpad AND have a functional keyboard. Apple should be very worried. Once they loose the developers, users won't be long to follow.
Dell XPS15 with Ubuntu has literally been my best developer environment ever. Unfortunately my current gig is all MBP and I feel completely handicapped, even after many months - to the point I have resorted to a "proper" mechanical keyboard.
Another way around this for power users and devs that a lot of people seem to overlook is to get a 6-core Mac Mini and a mechanical keyboard. With a retina monitor, it's a great combination.
As a touch typist and massive terminal keybindings user, I won't compromise on the keyboard. Apple needs to wake up and realise which slice of their market they are alienating. I'd say it's the most important one—the developers and creators. There's a sense that at Apple HQ right now, the "Pro" in "MacBook Pro" no longer means "professional" but rather "prosumer." That is wrong, so a major course correction is in order before creative types start fleeing the brand in earnest (judging by this thread and others, they may have already).
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#263My boss has one of those. She usually goes back and fixes her mistakes, but when she gets stressed and in a hurry she gives up on the corrections.
We just pretend that she's drunk in these cases. Or that this is just how the cool kids (with the expensive gadgets) talk these days. Or that the stress of the job has uncovered a long lost speech impediment.
Overall, I think the keyboard has been a really positive thing for team cohesion.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Remap caps lock.
I've gone back to remapping caps lock as a control key recently, so the two hacks conflict. :) (I know there are ways to remap the caps lock key to be both, depending on whether you tap it or hold it down with another key.)
Remap control to escape!
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#265Let me list the problems or things I don't like about my 2019 13 inch MBP: 1. Screen flickers occasionally 2. Turning on bluetooth can make the keys stuck making it impossible to type anything in order to unlock my laptop (turning off bluetooth fixes this) 3. I hate the feel of the touchbar on my fingers. 4. The touchpad is too large and I often accidentally touch it and do something I didn't want to do. 5. The mic a…
The dodgy ribbon cable connecting the top case to the screen is another ticking time bomb inside everyone's 2016+ MBPs. It's very close to the hinge and leads to an untimely death.
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#266I don't know anyone who was a real TTY user who likes on touchbar. I don't know any EMACS user who likes on touchbar. If I do the join over these and anyone else I ask, I actually don't know anyone who likes on touchbar. I think Apple took a long standing market acceptance in the community I live in, and basically trashed it, for lipgloss. I expect to move to a Lenovo Carbon X1, with qualms.
FWIW, most people I know remap caps lock to ESC for ergonomic reasons, so for them removing the physical escape key was a no-op. I realize that's a vanishing minority of normal people though :)
You're describing the first step on a rather slippery slope. I started by making Caps into Esc... Now I press enter with my right palm and escape with my left thumb and people make fun of me when they see my workstation.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/9be130e4c9b503...
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Curious if you’ve tested this. I thought the keyboard was slowing down my speed, so I did a lot of wpm testing and was surprised that I was slightly faster. I still feel slower after the tests and have verified it a couple of times. I’m not sure how to account for this phenomenon other than possibly the lower travel feeling like less intense effort.
I did a test recently -- today! -- myself on this, and found that the butterfly keyboard does slow me down a bit compared to my usual rate, which I wouldn't have actually predicted; I'm slightly slower on it in terms of raw keystrokes and also slightly less accurate. But it's not an incredible difference, and there are other keyboards I've used (like the much-hyped Brydge keyboard for the iPad Pro) which had more del…
Interesting. I wish there could be a corpus of data on this to help understand what makes the keyboard better for some and worse for others.
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#268I just bought a dell xps 15 9570 for this reason. Looking into figuring out how to put Ubuntu on it. I'm not sure I like WSL.
I'm sorry for Apple there was a time I'd laugh at people reading what I just wrote for myself. For all the bugginess that Windows OS is the hardware of these PC laptops have caught up. I can't justify it anymore if I can't type on the ting.
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#269The worst thing is, the 2015 MBP keyboard was nearly perfect. The vast majority of the time I don't even use an external keyboard even when I am working at a desk and am plugged into monitor. It's one thing to fail at designing something because it is hard and you haven't figured it out yet. It's quite another to regress to incompetence on something you already perfected.
Can't agree. Coming from a Thinkpad (the standard for what makes a great keyboard), PowerBook Titanium (keyboard was bad, but nothing like the 2016/17 MacBook Pro), PowerBook 12 / 17 (my favorite), and the first MacBook Pro (still pretty great) everything starting with the unibody has been downhill. Ever since, the keyboard and I believe battery even have not been user replaceable. There was a time one could walk int…
I did well with keyboards on the old powerbook g4, and the 1st gen intel macbook pros. Once they went chiclet, I developed wrist fatigue, finger pain, and other issues. They are an ergonomic nightmare scenario for me, and are basically unusable undocked for any significant length of time. I imagine the new models will be even worse.
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#270I just bought a dell xps 15 9570 for this reason. Looking into figuring out how to put Ubuntu on it. I'm not sure I like WSL. I'm sorry for Apple there was a time I'd laugh at people reading what I just wrote for myself. For all the bugginess that Windows OS is the hardware of these PC laptops have caught up. I can't justify it anymore if I can't type on the ting.
Change the RAID settings in BIOS to ACPI and Ubuntu will work out of the box on Dell XPS.