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Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

bart_spoon wrote: post #196
raxxorrax wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say is the difference? Isn't guilt just a form of shame that is consciously acknowledged?

I could be splitting hairs, but to me, guilt is established by another party, and something you may or may not recognize, whereas shame is mostly sourced internally. Someone, including the government, my employer, and other people, can declare me guilty of something. I also can admit guilt, but its not required. Shame on the other hand is something that only exists if I personally feel it. I do agree with the notion…

On the contrary, shame is social while guilt is internal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_(emotion)#Cultural_views

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame#Comparison_with_guilt

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by ekc »

gwathk wrote: post #258
nathanyukai wrote: post #155

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It's hard to do that delibrately right? I think this is an accident(I could be wrong). On the other hand, in the Chinese media they report some protestor bite a police officer's finger off.

They didn't report the first half of the story: "police"(without any ID) suddenly charged into a mall filled with retreating protestors and common folks. One "police" poked the said protestor's eyes. The protestor instinctively bit back.

No. You're either misinformed or intentionally lying.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/an-eye-for-an-...

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/medic-shot-in-eye-durin...

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by gwathk »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #64
unityByFreedom wrote: post #34

HK has come quite far, but if they can't stage peaceful protests without fear of reprisal from Beijing, then the brightest will still flee to the US. This blog post's point seems to be, he had culture shock when he moved to the US as a child, and experienced it again when visiting HK because he feels it is more advanced than the US. > Not everyone lives in a luxury hotel, man! I get it. But my eyes are like saucers.…

I believe quite clear that they can stage peaceful protests. Peaceful protests have never been prevented in Hongkong.

8.18 is one of the peaceful protests. The police rejected it a few hours ago and render it "illegal".

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by backpropaganda »

oinkl wrote: post #72
TASMebWdhWc9NeA wrote: post #51

I am in Verona (Italy) at this time, and I'm in a hotel where some tourists from Shanghai happen to be as well. I'm alone, so I hang out in the lobby a lot. I just engaged in some small talk with some of those tourists, and the discussion somehow shifted to the Hong Kong protests. Basically what they sad is that western culture in Hong Kong clashes with the chinese culture. They don't seem to say that the chinese way…

America's Fundamental Misunderstanding of China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojr-tqaQQOQ

This is just plain factually incorrect. Around two million Chinese immigrate to other countries every year (net).

Note also that it's similar to India's immigration rate, while India is doing much worse economically than China.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migra...

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by Aeolun »

Joakal wrote: post #16
Aeolun wrote: post #12

This has probably given me more insight in the protests than any news article I’ve read so far. Why is it so hard to find a decent source for what is happening?

What do you mean by decent source for what is happening? There's plenty of sources, including video. Do you mean live news? There's Reddit, Guardian and more. Some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extraditio... https://www.reddit.com/live/133sixros7tu5 China Uncensored or Nathan Rich on Youtube if you want to see polarising opinions on Hong Kong (or China). But at least with either, you can ch…

I mean that, over the past week, the information I’ve gotten from news articles was basically:

- The protests are still ongoing

- A lady was shot in the eye

- The airport was not functioning

- There was a fight in the airport.

It could be argued that these points are indeed news, but the whole weeks reporting has been reiterating this same information, and the human angle in those articles is completely lost.

I don’t know, I just feel the news I read should be more in some intangible way.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by cheunste »

bouncycastle wrote: post #235
tombh wrote: post #195

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I'm troubled to disagree with your comment, because I usually get so little feedback to such opinions and also it makes it look like I'm CCP stooge. So I should add that I'm British, I just lived in China for a year. Your comment really worries me though, because it seems to me you're conflating the subculture of Guangdong with the culture of Honk Kong, perhaps in an attempt to make a tenuous argument that it is in f…

There is a lot of evidence, historical and recent, that shows that the CCP is pushing for the assimilation of the Cantonese subculture. A sample of some recent articles "China Is Forcing Its Biggest Cantonese-Speaking Region To Speak Mandarin" https://www.businessinsider.com/china-is-forcing-its-biggest... "Hong Kong education chief forced to clarify controversial comments about teaching Chinese language in Cantonese…

I have a coworker whose background is from Hong Kong and he HATES the mainland government. Reading some of those articles, I can see why.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

tombh wrote: post #229
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #223

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That seems like a pretext. It’s hard to understand why China would be motivated oppress the almost entirely Chinese population of Hong Kong because the British were jerks a hundred years ago.

I sometimes like to have a little thought experiment like this: I'm British, so what if, during the 1800s, China had, through unprovoked war, forced the handing over of the port city of Liverpool because we didn't let them sell us heroin? Or if you're American, think of San Francisco being a sovereign state of the CCP. Of course you can never justify oppression, but I think such a thought experiment can give some ver…

San Francisco was, in fact, taken from Mexico during the 1800s through unprovoked war. Mexico doesn't and shouldn't see this as an active political issue.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

gwathk wrote: post #263
mytailorisrich wrote: post #64

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I believe quite clear that they can stage peaceful protests. Peaceful protests have never been prevented in Hongkong.

8.18 is one of the peaceful protests. The police rejected it a few hours ago and render it "illegal".

Is this the one the authorities said could only take place in a park and not on the road?

If so, it doesn't seem unreasonable.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by mytailorisrich »

baby wrote: post #255
mytailorisrich wrote: post #25

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If political submissions are accepted then we should also accept comments expressing opposite and contradicting views on the issue instead of trying to suppress them by labeling them as "bots", "online-commenter-army", etc.

This is just relaying the propaganda articles you can see all over the place on chinese social media. I think this is worth a downvote unless it's about analyzing propaganda itself.

Others' point of view is not always propaganda...

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by tombh »

keiferski wrote: post #247
tombh wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sometimes like to have a little thought experiment like this: I'm British, so what if, during the 1800s, China had, through unprovoked war, forced the handing over of the port city of Liverpool because we didn't let them sell us heroin? Or if you're American, think of San Francisco being a sovereign state of the CCP. Of course you can never justify oppression, but I think such a thought experiment can give some ver…

I understand the point you're trying to make, but at best, it's simply an explanation of the realpolitik motives of China. Yes, Hong Kong was ultimately created through some nefarious tactics by the British. But that was 150 years ago. The people living in Hong Kong now are overwhelming ethnic Chinese (92%), have their own culture, and while not perfect, are far more democratic and freedom-loving than the CCP is. If…

I know it may look like I'm taking China's side, but I'm not. In fact it's the automatic dismissal of all possible attempts to understand the Chinese perspective that I'm fighting against. How does simply asserting one side to be the antagonist and leaving it at that, help the situation?

If things are black and white then we miss the fact that HK's legitimacy is of a different kind to Taiwan's. Which in turn reinforces global opinion that HK's fight is equivalent to say Ukraine's. Why exactly aren't the UK rushing to HK's aid? It's precisely because of the nuances of the history that too few people are aware of or interested in. At the very least if such knowledge doesn't help HK now, then it will help all those in the future involved in similar acts of aggressions that the West, let alone China, still haven't grown out of.

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