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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by PeterStuer »

Nowyouknow wrote: post #151
vecplane wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heads up, if your company is paying for your service, they can see who you're calling and texting. I'm not saying that's unreasonable, but I've heard of employees getting caught leaking by communicating through cell plans paid for by the employer.

What if you're being reimbursed for your phone? I assume they can only see activity on my logged in GSuite account. Can't imagine that they have access to anything beyond that.

If they are the ones paying for your phone's subscription, they get a very detailed report on all the calls/texts/data access requests done.

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Post by unionpivo »

zippergz wrote: post #164
lugg wrote: post #107

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Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.

Are you, with a straight face, saying that you'd rather receive a PHONE CALL than a notification from an app that you can set time-sensitive notification methods for (i.e. DND overnight, etc.)? I'm not fan of getting any kind of work message outside of working hours, but I'd FAR rather let my co-workers send me a slack message that I can ignore and/or deal with when I feel like it than call me on the phone. No one at…

Yes, if for no other reason, that calling someone adds friction.

People don't phone you for stuff that could have easily waited till tomorrow morning.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by jaclaz »

kemiller2002 wrote: post #102

Funny story (well OK, not so funny), I worked at a company where the FBI decided to pay a visit and investigate some potential naughtiness performed by members of the senior staff. They asked questions such as "Do you use your cell phone and personal email for company matters." Guess what a lot of them said, "Yep, have to." That immediately made their personal equipment, etc. in scope for the investigation and they c…

Hmmm, I don't think, if the allegations/accusations were "serious enough" that if (actually having never used the personal devices for work) someone had replied "No, never" they would have taken your word as good, i.e. they would have probably said "OK, now let's check if that is true" and confiscated the devices as well.

Please also understand that when you say "No, never" to a FBI agent, you myst be pretty sure that it is accurate, as if they (still hypothetically) find even a single interaction they could accuse you to lying to a government officer.

Anyway, yours is the right approach, never, and I mean never mix personal with work relatd activities.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by ohithereyou »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #90
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

I learned that lesson after losing too many days off to some emergency or other that I spotted on my emails. Personally I need to be able to put everything to the side when I'm out of office.

>losing too many days off to some emergency

How do you even lose days off to some work emergency? If I was scheduled to be on vacation but I have to come in for some emergency, I don't lose those days, and you shouldn't either, since you never actually took those days off.

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Post by ohithereyou »

kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #140
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

So it would be ok if your employer paid 60 bucks a month to foot your phone bill? Be careful what you wish for.

This is precisely why I make it clear that I do not want a work phone. My mobile number is published in the global address book for emergencies, but otherwise if I'm not at work then I'm not working, and I do my best to not think about work when I'm not working. Having a block of metal and plastic specifically to intrude into my free time for the benefit of my employer is not something that I am interested in.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by ohithereyou »

shalmanese wrote: post #180
tristor wrote: post #142

I work from home/remotely. For years I've followed a simple policy. I don't use work devices for personal use, and I don't connect my personal devices to any work accounts. I've never had an employer that's had a problem with this, and the most I've ever heard is comments about how I'm just inconveniencing myself because I carry two phones, two laptops. But the reality is, it's been extremely beneficial when I've had…

I love having a work laptop that only has work on it but I've never been able to have a personal laptop that doesn't eventually get all the work stuff onto it at some point. What do you do if you're lying in bed watching a movie when you remember that you need to schedule a meeting with X for tomorrow at 11am? Do you get out of your warm bed and pull out your work laptop and add the calendar entry and then climb back…

>What do you do if you're lying in bed watching a movie when you remember that you need to schedule a meeting with X for tomorrow at 11am?

I schedule it when I get in the office at 8 AM.

>I also really struggle with what IM programs to keep on my work laptop these days. Medium of communication doesn't map cleanly onto work/personal contacts so I either deal with friends pinging me while at work or missing vital messages from people expecting a business response/having long professional conversations using a phone keyboard.

My advice is to separate your work and friend accounts. You can have whatever messengers you need for work on your work laptop, but make sure that none of your accounts you share with friends are logged in on that machine. Same for your personal machines - only log in the accounts for friends. Then you don't have that problem.

In most cases, all you need is an email address to make a new account, and you can slowly move all of your friends over to this new account where friends and work do not overlap.

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Post by VBprogrammer »

ohithereyou wrote: post #264
VBprogrammer wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I learned that lesson after losing too many days off to some emergency or other that I spotted on my emails. Personally I need to be able to put everything to the side when I'm out of office.

>losing too many days off to some emergency How do you even lose days off to some work emergency? If I was scheduled to be on vacation but I have to come in for some emergency, I don't lose those days, and you shouldn't either, since you never actually took those days off.

I meant that less literally. While I might still be technically out of the office, if I'm spending time worrying about an on-going problem it's not nearly as restful as if I'm blissfully ignorant.

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Post by kemiller2002 »

joering2 wrote: post #257
lbatx wrote: post #245

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Umm, kemiller2002 perfectly described the justice system of the good ole US of A. Once a prosecutor wants to get you, they stack all kinds of charges together to take your 1 year crime and make it a total of 10 years in prison, so you'll take a deal that gets you back to the original. At the Federal level, the conviction rate is 93%. Even if you are innocent, you can still be convicted. > Edit: don't break the laws w…

OP described situation in which you are bailed then had DUI. That's my point. Don't break the laws when you are on bail.

Let me clear up. The problem isn't breaking the law with the DUI. It's violating the court order. A judge can impose any set of rules (read that right ANY), and you get tossed back in jail for doing that. Not drinking just happens to be a common one. But you say, "I'm over 21, it's legal." Now it's not, because the judge told you not to. What about accessing a computer? He can put that in there. Using a cell phone. "But that's an undue burden." Do you honestly think that matters?

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Post by joering2 »

MBCook wrote: post #258
joering2 wrote: post #256

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Yep. It happens. And these are extreme cases in which system has failed. Usually you end up suying the system and state/county/whomever wronged you has to pony up millions in settlement. That's also probably the only reason the scenario you describe is very rare and not a norm.

It’s not rare, though it may not be for a year. And you can’t sue because the government did nothing wrong. You were found innocent at trial, that’s how things work. People found innocent don’t get to sue the government for wasting their time. If you can’t bail out you’re stuck waiting in jail.

Again it happens but very rarely. There will always be prosecutoral misconduct unfortunately. And yes absolutely you can sue anyone for anything. If you believe you were detained for too long you can sue the government. People do that all the time - sue for governmental neglect. You just have to have strong enough case. If you were held day too long thats nothing. A year thats a plain abuse.

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Post by fencepost »

kemiller2002 wrote: post #224
joering2 wrote: post #214

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> After hearing about that, I never attach anything work related to my personal equipment. There is too much liability. Wait, didn't you just softly admit to some (any?) wrongdoing?

The simple truth is, everyone breaks the law. I don't mean willingly, there are tons of laws that exist that even well versed attorneys are not aware of. You accidentally downloaded a song you didn't pay for? We'll that's a criminal wrong doing. You did it over the internet? Somehow we'll tack on a wire fraud charge while we're at it, because we're sure we can convince a grand jury to at least allow us to try you. No…

Here's the thing about lawsuits, even if you're innocent, you're still probably ruined.

I call that "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

Strong anti-SLAPP legislation can help with some of that, but it's far from 100% and it's far from universal.

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