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Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by Nowyouknow »

vecplane wrote: post #128
pwthornton wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company pays for my service but not my phone, so I'm in a gray area here.

Heads up, if your company is paying for your service, they can see who you're calling and texting. I'm not saying that's unreasonable, but I've heard of employees getting caught leaking by communicating through cell plans paid for by the employer.

What if you're being reimbursed for your phone? I assume they can only see activity on my logged in GSuite account. Can't imagine that they have access to anything beyond that.

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Post by _bxg1 »

I only have my work Slack, not email, on my phone because of this.

Something I've wondered: why do they only do this for native email? Why can I use Slack without it? In college even our student email accounts had MDM (which was pretty silly), but I worked around it by just viewing my email in the web browser. Are locally-stored emails somehow more vulnerable than my browser cache and the messages stored in the Slack app, or are those just loopholes?

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Post by CydeWeys »

crazygringo wrote: post #120
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

> If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If you're salaried then they are paying you for it based on the job requirements, it's part of the job and one of the things that separates hourly employees from salaried ones. Unless you're talking about the cost of your cell plan or device? But even then, a lot of companies will pay for your plan and subsidize part/all of your devi…

Meanwhile, in Europe, they have employee protection laws that outright prevent these practices. If you need someone to be available outside of work hours, you need to pay them extra for it, similar to how overtime is mandated in the US for hourly workers.

Wish we had those laws here. Fortunately I work at a company where I am compensated extra for my oncall shifts that take place outside of normal work hours -- it ends up being a few extra tens of thousands of dollars per year. That should be the mandated standard though, not just for those who are lucky.

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by giobox »

Remember 10 years ago when people were predicting/building technology to let our phones run multiple "virtual" phone instances on a hypervisor, solving the work phone/play phone single device dilemma?

I'd still freaking love this feature ten years later. I don't want app level segregation of work and play, I want them in entirely different "instances" of my phone.

> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/09/samsu...

> https://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2009/01/01/the-nex...

> https://gizmodo.com/vmware-for-mobile-devices-lets-you-run-w...

Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by fghtr »

giobox wrote: post #155

Remember 10 years ago when people were predicting/building technology to let our phones run multiple "virtual" phone instances on a hypervisor, solving the work phone/play phone single device dilemma? I'd still freaking love this feature ten years later. I don't want app level segregation of work and play, I want them in entirely different "instances" of my phone. > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011…

I guess you just need a GNU/Linux phone for that. Librem 5 is the hope.

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Post by scarejunba »

lugg wrote: post #107
mti27 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly- if work doesn't pay, they don't get to play on my phone. I'd be willing to check work email sporadically, and it's unfortunate that doing so in any capacity means allowing an unknown admin "wipe my phone" privileges. Companies don't handle that stuff with any sort of finesse and mistakes happen. Ultimately email on a phone may be a moot point for software developers: We use more independent chat apps like Sl…

Slack, on my phone? Are you nuts? If you want me after hours you call. Thats the only option you have.

Slack has work hours. After that nothing notifies me. FWIW I use Slack to keep in touch with other groups of people too. It’s actually quite good.

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Post by antidaily »

travelton wrote: post #17

Not sure how complete this list is, but here's Google's MDM knowledge base articles: https://support.google.com/a/answer/7036693 Mobile Reports: https://support.google.com/a/answer/6072773 Device Audit: https://support.google.com/a/answer/6350074 Mobile Alerts: https://support.google.com/a/answer/3230421 Edit: Furthermore, on iOS, you can go to Settings -> General -> Device Management -> -> More Details -> MDM Profil…

Anything sketchy? I dont have Google Device Management installed.

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Post by [deleted] »

fghtr wrote: post #156
giobox wrote: post #155

Remember 10 years ago when people were predicting/building technology to let our phones run multiple "virtual" phone instances on a hypervisor, solving the work phone/play phone single device dilemma? I'd still freaking love this feature ten years later. I don't want app level segregation of work and play, I want them in entirely different "instances" of my phone. > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011…

I guess you just need a GNU/Linux phone for that. Librem 5 is the hope.

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Re: Don’t Put Your Work Email on Your Personal Phone

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Post by ceph_ »

derefr wrote: post #87
kpwags wrote: post #21

This is certainly a very good reason to not put your work account on your personal phone, but my primary reason not to is that it's my device and I pay for the service. If my company needs me to be available beyond my 9-5 workday, they can pay for it. If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on".

> If there's an emergency, they can always call, but I don't like being "always on". Personally, I choose the opposite: you need to email me to tell me you want to call me (so that I’ll turn on my softphone app), otherwise you’ll just automatically go to voicemail (which will also go to my email.) I notice that with Gmail’s inbox categories, you only get push-notified when something lands in Primary or Updates; so as…

I can't believe anyone can handle having push notifications on email. I only read my email when I go to check it. For both work and personal.

I have hundreds of rules for email filtering. With most mailing lists never hitting my inbox. But it's still way too much for individual email push notifications.

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