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Re: Leaving Google Fi

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This is fraud. As soon as any rep sees the evidence of the fraud and stonewalls they are engaging in a conspiracy to commit fraud. At that point the law should take over. "The policy says I must break the law" is not a defence. "The fraud was opportunistic rather than pre-meditated" is not a defence. You can't break the law because of a company policy, you're a human you have responsibilities. Prosecutions need to ha…

My wife and I left fi for exactly the same reason as the blog post. My wife had a problem with her pixel 2, and she was pretty much without a phone for WEEKS. We absolutely adored fi for years before that. We were huge advocates. After we had such a horrible experience being gaslighted, promised, and let down we just fuck this and went to AT&T. It’s not like we love AT&T. In fact, we don’t. But you know what we can d…

If customer support is important to you, I heartily recommend giving Ting[1] a try. They're a T-Mobile and Sprint MVNO. Every interaction we've had with their customer service has been excellent. Last I called, there was no phone tree, just a person immediately picking up (hopefully it's still like this).

[1]https://ting.com/

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#262

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how did telcos manage to run a message product (SMS) for the 20 years before Google? The user-base is bigger than 1.5B too

Agree, 100%; silicon valley has 0 clue how to run support, and as a result their user experience is awful. And what good are new features of you can't even send a message in the first place? The solution was disabling RCS completely or, hard resetting the phone (uninstalling and or wiping messages did not fix anything).

> silicon valley has 0 clue how to run support, and as a result their user experience is awful.

It seems kind of systemic: defer support requests until exit/IPO, not your problem any more.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#263
post #54

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Amazon support has never been anything less than stellar for me. Edit: Someone downvotes my experience? Wut?

why act surprised? HN's voting system is broken, and anyone talking about it gets downvoted!

The main problem with their stupid voting system is that they let humans press the buttons.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#264

I can't understand why would somebody order something from Google and then use the chat "support" app to ask where their package is. All packages have tracking numbers and as soon as they are "on their way" you just contact the Courier or use their site to track it precisely. Why escalate it to the seller who has no idea where the package actually is?

> Why escalate it to the seller who has no idea where the package actually is?

Because shipping is the seller's responsibility. If the courier loses the package, you can't do anything, it's the seller's problem. Only after the package was delivered to you does it become your problem.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#265
post #7

And that’s why European consumer rights are cool.

And what would those have changed? Do you believe that some EU consumer right agent would bust down the door at Google and get you your $70 and an apology for wasting your time?

Sure, you'll have a great time in court (as the OP would in the states, Google is clearly in the wrong here), but that doesn't help you in the slightest, because it's a lot of hassle, time and effort, you'll have to pay your lawyer up front etc pp.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#266
post #54

"At every turn the team was presented with a chance to make things better and every time they blew it." I mean, this is the history of Google in a nutshell. They deserve to be systematically dismantled by Amazon for this alone.

Amazon support has never been anything less than stellar for me. Edit: Someone downvotes my experience? Wut?

I didn't downvote you, but as a small-scale seller on Amazon, I received absolutely terrible support when they froze my account over a 12-cent fee that was added retroactively and therefore "past due" before I ever heard about it. They were going to pretty much keep my money and my merchandise and ignore me until I got an AWS rep to get involved.

As a customer, on the other hand, Amazon has among the best service I've ever received.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

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Ironic that a company that specializes in solving hard problems can't tackle an already solved problem.

Google tried to hire additional customer support reps but none of them got past the whiteboard code test

As a former GCP support rep, this is actually true. Their strict hiring practices prevented them from scaling up support along with their platform, so they had to contract with other IT companies to provide the necessary manpower. Unfortunately, that also meant that Google's support was manned by people not up to Google's own standards. This started to change over the last year when they got sick of the lackluster support from their contractors, but I still doubt they are able to get enough Google qualified engineers willing to work in customer support. It's definitely not for a lack of trying, though. The problem is that if you're good enough to pass a Google whiteboard exam, wouldn't you rather build things, rather than coach other people building things? I sure did.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#268
One of his topics really hit home for me:

Customers don’t differentiate branches of a company when thinking about brand identity.

Google Fi was running a special, buy the phone from Google Fi and you get $800 off of your bill. I bought the phone from Google. Not Google Fi. It took 3 months for them to figure out that I was never going to get that $800. Every rep that I spoke with except for the last one said, "it looks like you should get this money, we don't know why you aren't."

The benefits of Fi out weigh the shittiness of their customer support, or lack thereof. And none of the other carriers are any better. That's the only reason I am still a subscriber.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#269
Wow! Good times. Almost tops my own worst experience which was with Avis car rentals. The author indicates that this kind of experience is probably due to systemic problems within Google's customer support program and I'd guess that's right.

I've noticed a pattern that many companies have adopted. First they silo the customer service division usually culminating in remotely locating the customer service frontline. They then cut ties between any part of the company and rank and file customer service workers, linking them only to their supervisors. In the final step the supervisors are prohibited from forwarding customers anywhere. Then customer service becomes like a separate company within the company. I've seen this structure over and over and the companies with the worst service always have this shape.

You call. You get a call center. They can't transfer you anywhere. You ask for a supervisor. They try to tell why you don't need one. You insist. You get one. The supervisor takes your call. You discover they can't fix your problem. You ask who can. They can't say. You ask if there's anyone else you can talk to. They say no. You ask for their manager. They say you can't talk to them. You ask for corporate level customer relations. They don't have that number. On and on and on...

My theory is that structuring customer service into such a separate silo actually breeds a combative relationship between customer service and company leadership. Without more contact between the people building and servicing the products and frontline customer support people, customer service just looks like a big fat cost center. No useful information makes it out (by design) and year after year it's just a big red line item for everyone else. Of course this leads to a perpetual push to decrease costs in customer service which leads to really regressive behavior. Too many customers are need free replacements tighten the grip on all comps. Too many high level customer support people are still giving things away. Get rid of any high level customer support personnel. Could we save money with less supervisors? Yes but the one's we've got are already overworked. Well, track the number of times an employee allows customers to escalate and create disincentives.

In this way customer service actual becomes the opposite of what it's meant to be. Instead of enabling customers or helping them it becomes a hindrance. It becomes a wall that protects the rest of the company especially the leadership from having to have any contact with the unwashed masses.

Re: Leaving Google Fi

#270

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" We're banning you for demanding a refund for items not delivered " seems like a great way to attract regulatory scrutiny: > By law, a seller should ship your order within the time stated in its ads or over the phone. If the seller doesn’t promise a time, you can expect it to ship your order within 30 days... If the seller is unable to ship within the promised time, it must notify you, give a revised shipping date a…

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I don't think the CFPB would be the one to talk to. As the link mentioned, you'd probably want to reach out to your state attorney general.
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